UFC and Boxing= No Difference

[TracyKarate]

I was looking very forward to once again watching the UFC back on cable, but I was dissappointed with what I saw. The fights were long and boring and some had very unfair decisions. The UFC is no different than boxing in my opinion because it is moving farther and farther away from real combat and more towards "sportive" combat. I believe that this is partly due to the fact that the only styles being trained for this type of competition are jujutsu, kickboxing and wrestling. And although the competitors are at a world class level in these areas, there is no longer any element of surprise because everyone knows how the other will attack and defend. We have all seen and benefitted from the Brazillian jujutsu revolution, but I am looking forward to the next revolution in mixed martial arts which will be cross training specifically in the stand up martial arts. Hopefully it will come sooner than later.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I disagree

I think the competition is changing because of the "civilization" of the competition, not due to the styles involved.


No strikes to certain body parts, no strikes of a certain style while on the ground, etc, etc. This has all been done because they want to make it "less brutal and destructive."

You can see the same effects in other sports as well.

Football is much more "humane" than it was 20 years ago. With a whole list of new rules meant to protect the players.

Boxing has changed as well. They stop fights much sooner than they used to.

Audiences want to see pure destruction, yet they don't want anyone to really be hurt. The dual nature of the masses.

I agree with you in the area of more striking being involved. That's what makes it more exciting for the spectators. People don't want to pay $300 a seat to watch two highly trained athletes play chess. They want to see fists flying and knock outs.

But as far as more "stand up" arts, I would have to disagree. Pure stand up arts have been pummeled in mixed martial arts. When you cannot strike vital points and use other "secret deadly tactics" in the ring, the "stand up" arts are more at a disadvantage.

The nature of the contest gives grapplers an advantage from the get-go.


If you REALLY want to see pure MMA competition you'll have to lock to people in a pit and make it life or death. Then you'll see which arts and which competitors are for real....but we already know the answer to that little fantasy.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

SZ

[Atomic]

Events like this happen ocassionally. The fighters were too evenly matched, which lead to draws. It's going to be like that anytime you have people with the same skill levels fighting each other.

Overall, I wasn't really that bored, except when I watch Liddell fight...oh, and the Yves--Serra fight.

Otherwise, a decent even.

[JaredExtreme]

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Tracy, it's spelled Brazilian JIU-JITSU, geeeez, you're as bad as Black Belt Magazine.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Jared, you ever have the occaison to travel through Boise?

Have you ever had the opportunity to train with Pedro Sauer?

[JaredExtreme]

Nope, I don't think I ever been there or heard of this person.

[Lance Henry]

Jared, you've never heard of Pedro Sauer? Geeeez, you're as bad as Black Belt Magazine.

[hounddog]

I've been to Boise and trained with Pedro Sauer but I trained at his school in SLC. A great instructor.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Next time you come to town, gimme a heads up.

How was the training? Pedro is the closest thing we have to BJJ in Boise. Most of the MMA action in the area is associated with the people he has trained or who work with him on a somewhat regular basis.

I know of them, but I don't know them.

[hounddog]

He is a great instructor and he has a lot of students. If I lived there I would definitely train there full time.
-hD

[Szczepankiewicz]

Sweet

Thanks for the info man.

[Twisted up]

Szczepankiewicz said it right! That is exactly what's happening.

The whole idea was to get the event (UFC) back on cable. They had to bend over backward in an effort to do this, and clean the majority of the rules up.

Styles? It doesn't have anything to do with styles. It has to do with the fact that you can't do anything to your opponent anymore.

If the rules were more like the OLD UFC rules, you'd see a lot more ref stoppages, tap-outs, or corners throwing in their towels. When's the last time you've seen THAT?!

Now that the UFC is back on cable, they've gotten exactly what they wanted. Well....almost anyway. They wanted a greater fan base for the sport of MMA. The only trouble now is, that sport has changed and isn't what it once was. THIS sport isn't going to attract anyone to it's numbers.


With that said, cross-training in stand-up martial arts doesn't mean crap! There are only so many ways of hitting and kicking people--how much can you really "cross-train" in the stand-up martial arts? Cross training means that you're not just a "one diminsional fighter (read, only a "stand-up" fighter). It means that you can punch, kick, wrestle, etc.. What are you going to do, cross train in TKD, Isshin-ryu, Moo Duk Kwan and oh yeah, TRACY Karate?? Get real.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

At least PRIDE is still the same. True Vale Tudo.....

[keithws]

The last UFC had something like 6 stoppages and several of the previous shows had more stoppages than decisions.

As atomic put it, you're gonna have shows like this cause the matchups are even.

If you want to see a higher finishing rate, go watch a Gladiator Challenge or some other B event. They have a high finishing rate like old ufc's cause there are so many mismatches just like ole Vale tudo or UFC!

As far as killing blows or whatever, I ain't buying that. Where were all these guys when the Gracies were putting out there challenges. No where to be seen!

later

[Monkey Magic]

Tracey Karate, i agree that the fights are getting boring. It is because of the BJJ influence - every fight seems to go to guard, where the two fighters just stalemate each other. Cross training in Catch Wrestling would be more productive.