Originally posted by sidder
If judo guys trained in groundwork more.... Where would they learn the groundwork from? You're talking sense until you start conflating judo and bjj. There are other differences. Judo doesn't use wrestling and no gi throws.
Judo learn many submissions in a less effective manner, too. I don't like the way juji gatame is usually taught in judo classes, both hands holding onto the wrist and giving the guy too much room to escape, etc.... We've heard all these things before. The difference between the two arts is not only one of emphasis, but also one of methodology, uniform variability, and also content (Judo just doesn't have omaplate and half guard escapes). Otherwise, many lifelong judoka would change their emphasis and compete in nhb.
As for catch, it's a nice supplement to bjj, not an alternative or superior option.
If judo guys trained in groundwork more.... Where would they learn the groundwork from? You're talking sense until you start conflating judo and bjj. There are other differences. Judo doesn't use wrestling and no gi throws.
Judo learn many submissions in a less effective manner, too. I don't like the way juji gatame is usually taught in judo classes, both hands holding onto the wrist and giving the guy too much room to escape, etc.... We've heard all these things before. The difference between the two arts is not only one of emphasis, but also one of methodology, uniform variability, and also content (Judo just doesn't have omaplate and half guard escapes). Otherwise, many lifelong judoka would change their emphasis and compete in nhb.
As for catch, it's a nice supplement to bjj, not an alternative or superior option.
Judo has the omoplata, andt they have the half guard escpare, what you see in modern competiton judo is not the whole art.
buy the kosen judo video
Plentry of judo fight in nhb:
Kosaka
Sakurai (he always goes out to france to train judo)
barkaleav (judo en sambo)
Kikuta (addc and kop champ)
Semenov (sambo and judo)
and every one in nhb is cross trained these day's so don't use that comment
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