fighting man dummy

[swimmy]

Has anyone ever used one , what do you think?
I just saw this one on e-bay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1045874174

[cracker]

well to me they're kinda pointless. They dont really offer anything that you couldn't do on a regular heavy bag.

The idea of practicing arm locks or any grappling on them is kinda funny, kinda like practicing kissing on your pillow.

For striking I dont think they'd be too bad, at least not for $76.00, if you don't have a heavy bag already. Just my $.02

[MrPoopy]

M.A.S.S.

Ever seen the training dummies at www.gomass.com? They are so expensive that I'd never be able to buy one, but would be cool to grapple with. Now if they could just make a dummy with re-breakable joints. that would be awsome!

[mushinmaster]

Dummies are okay for striking, but no substitute for a real partner. They tend to be very $$$$.

I would only buy one if I was really rich or if there was no one to train with me. Unless you're going for something like the mook jong, it's pretty much the same thing as a heavy bag, like cracker said, and usually a waste of money.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I thought that when I got married I would have a permanent striking dummy. It turns out that I]I[/I] am the striking dummy, ironic really...

[bubbamaker]

grappling dummies

Actually, a good grappling dummy is very useful. It's much more than just a heavy bag. My dummy, for example, allows you to practice the techniques of Jiu-Jitsu while adding strikes. He also allows you to put full power into the jointlocks and chokes. If you haven't seen Elvis Sinosic's pictures of his training session with Bubba (my grappling dummy), you should check out the "Submission Dummy" thread on the Underground. He loves his dummy, and he has recommended Bubba to a lot of people. Everyone should have a dummy to supplement their training.

[cracker]

I still have to question how effective the "practice" really is. I mean the dummy just lays there. I've yet to be in a fight or match where the guy just sat there and let me work him over, so I dont really see how an inanimate object will help be prepare for someone who's not inanimate.

To me it's kinda like practicing to be a race car driver by sitting behind the wheel without actually going anywhere-Just because your pretending to drive, it's nothing like the real thing.

Dummies are great if you want to add weight to a particular move. Like greco-roman, or freestyle type throws (wrestlers have been doing that for years). But they're not designed for technical work. If I want to practice on something that isn't resisting, I just tell the guy I'm grappling with to, lay still, "I'm wanna work on something". Then when I slap the submission on, I can tell if it's working because he'll tap.

Still don't believe me? NExt time you go to a seminar or something, bring the wrestling dummy as your training partner. LOL.

Not to be a dick just throwing in my .02

[bubbamaker]

Actually, people have used Bubba as their partner at Royce's seminars. The way Royce teaches is to do the technique in slow motion with no resistance. Bubba is perfect for that. I think you are assuming all grappling dummies are just stuffed, but Bubba has realistic joints. You can practice countless drills on him, and you can also practice strikes. His arms and legs bend and straighten with some resistance, so it's like he's got some muscle. If you are practicing strikes, you can even interlock his fingers and his arms will stay straight enough to make it harder to get to his face. It's better practice than you may think.

[cracker]

Has "bubba" ever made you tap?

J/king.

[bubbamaker]

LOL. No, but he takes a swing at me now and then. :-)

[Szczepankiewicz]

It's always better to have a skilled opponent to train with, but a lot of people can't always train with someone. Therefore, having a grappling dummy is better than having nothing at all.

As the heavy bag is to striking, the Bubba is to grappling?

[bubbamaker]

That's the way I look at it. You can tell a big difference in your striking after using Bubba for awhile. And, it's nice to know how much leverage you can really put into jointlocks and chokes. They improve over time, too.

[MrPoopy]

Bubba

Bubbamaker, I think I saw your personal web page. Is your first name Brett? On this page, it says that bubba is made with 6 rolls of duct tape. Is that how bubba has such realistic joints? I would imagine duct tape would not last very long. Also, how much does Bubba sell for?

[bubbamaker]

Yes, that's me. Yes, I use several types of tape. Bubba's outer skin is contrator's grade duct tape. It's a mummy wrap that would make an athletic trainer proud. I still have dummies from ten years ago that aren't having any trouble with their tape jobs, and I've never had any complaints from customers. The outer layer isn't really needed because of what's underneath, but I do this to give it even more durability. Then, he's dressed from head to toe before the Gracie Academy uniform is added.

The joints are a combination of bones coming together, a plastic type of filling, and an outer piece that extends (using the arm as an example) from near the shoulder to the wrist. It allows for resistance when bending or straightening the arm (or leg), and won't bend the wrong way (backwards).

Bubba sells for $399 plus shipping and handling, and he is sold exclusively by the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy. It takes about 20 hours to build him, and he is U.S. Patent No. 6,139,328.

[cracker]

In other words, this whole thread was a commercial....