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They took down the judo forum at the underground.
So, we got any judo people here?
So, we got any judo people here?
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Judo sucks.
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hey Judo Dude, dem's fightin' words...Comment
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Hey Judo Guy
I always checked in at the Judo forum but rarely posted . I do not understand what all the pissing matches were about and paid them little regard . Will you be holding court here or is there another forum I should check ?
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Hi Pilgrim,
I haven't posted much in here over the last 18 months. I have checked it every day in case a judo question came up that I wanted to answer. If you ever have a question about judo I'll try to reply. If someone starts a thread about judo that I want to participate in, I'll be there.
Lacrymosa,
Man, you are usually such a nice guy! What's the matter? Someone take a dump in your bean dip?
How are you doing my friend? Are you still in Arizona or did you go back to the midwest? Hope you still have to run to the store for those BIC razors!
Sweep,
Is there ANY place on the net that you can't be found? MY GOD! You gotta be getting paid to post! Every forum I click on I see your name!
Hey, are you going to the Copa Pacifica this year? I plan to have my son compete there.Comment
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Hey Judo Guy, long time no speak.
RyuComment
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Hi Ryu,
Yeah. Its been awhile. I was hanging mostly on the judo forum at the underground. Judo is really the sport that I care about, so it made sense to be there. They closed the judo forum a few days ago, so I'm posting and checking here more frequently and posting at another site.
Probably not much interest in judo over here, so I doubt I'll be posting much.
Hope that life is treating you well.Comment
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Judo Guy, I've got a few questions. I've been doing BJJ/M-T for about 4 years now, and unfortunately I know nothing about judo. Maybe you can first explain the rules/objectives in a judo competition for me (points, how one wins, time limits, no-no's in judo but ok in BJJ, weight/experience divisions, belt hierarchy, etc). Like I said, I know nothing about judo except for the throws I've learned in class (I don't even know the proper names of the throws I know).Comment
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LOL,
Hey Judo....
I'm sorry to report, the folliage has since returned to the wilderness and my quests for razors have been few and far between. To compensate for this loss of activity, there's been less mastication of the shrubbery if you catch my meaning.
No shavage = No munchage
Consequently:
No munchage = No labial lumber massage
Hence the struggle has been difficult. A struggle of wills between the woman, who is destined to control 95% of the sensual power, and the horny male.....whose first conquest was legendary, but slowly dimming with recent failures.
Oh, by the way, we moved back to the Midwest, in true nomadic form....Last edited by Lacrymosa; 02-05-2002, 07:06 PM.Comment
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Hi Lithp,
Well, I'll try to answer your questions best I can, bearing in mind the constraints of the forum we are participating in. Now, judo has many objectives, but I'll limit the discussion to the basics of judo competition.
I find judo competition to be the most fascinating of the grappling sports. I'm probably a bit prejudiced in this regard because I first got involved in judo when I was 4 years of age. The reason I like watching and participating in judo competition is that there are so many ways to win.
The object of a judo match is to win the match by ippon. The ippon is the equivalent of the boxing knockout. It ends the match.
A judo match can end by technique in the following ways.
1) Throw-largely on the back with speed and control.
2) Pin--keeping control of an opponent on his back for 25 seconds.
3) Armlock--submission applied to the elbow only.
4) Choke--submission applied to the carotid artery or the throat.
5) Combination of techniques--judo has a score called a waza ari, which means 1/2 point. These scores applies to pins and throws(there is no 1/2 point for submission because submission ends the match). Any combination of 2 waza aris ends the match.
A judo match can also end by an accumulation of penalties or a combination of penalties with a waza ari score.
Should a match go to the very end, the winner is decided by the score of the match. There are 3 scores that don't end the match. Highest score being waza ari, second highest being yuko, and 3rd highest being koka.
While 2 waza aris equal an ippon, no amount of yukos will equal 1 waza ari and no amount of kokas will equal 1 yuko. So, judo doesn't really reward the most techniques scored, it rewards the best techniques scored.
However, the penalties are cumulative. The penalties are lowest to highest called shido, chui, keikoku and hansokumake (disqualification). These penalties are equal in value to koka, yuko, waza ari and ippon respectively. Individual penalties can run the range of shido-hansokumake depending on the seriousness of the violation.
However, once a penalty is given, the next penalty is higher. For example a stalling penalty is a call of shido. But the next stalling penalty is chui and the first shido is cancelled. If the first penalty is keikoku and the person gets a stalling penalty, then hansokumake is awarded to the opponent. In essence, 4 small penalties can result in disqualification. If you really want to know the penalties, they can be found at www.ijf.org if you click on the rules button and then click on the referee button. I couldn't do the subject justice here.
If all scores are equal, the referee and the judges decide.
Depending on the venue, most matches for adults will be 4 to 5 minutes long.
The weight limits for men are 55kg (not contested in many venues), 60kg, 65kg, 73kg, 81kg, 90kg, -100kg, and +100kg. Most tournaments have an open division also. Surprisingly, the Olympics don't have an Open division contest.
The biggest difference I see in the philosophy of BJJ and Judo in contest is that BJJ is a sport about defense, and judo is a sport about offense. If you aren't attacking in judo, you are losing. It's that simple. BJJ you can be rewarded for a defensive position, such as the guard.
Judo doesn't allow you much time to develop an attack on the ground. So, if you aren't attacking or improving your position, you will be stood up to a neutral position standing. You will not see a 5 minute guard fight in judo. Heck, it might be hard for you to see a 15 second guard fight in judo.
If you have halfway decent standing technique, you might want to give judo shiai (contest) a try. There are usually alot more judo tournaments than BJJ tournaments no matter what part of the country you go to. You will have to join one of the following groups USJI, USJF, or USJA to participate. But membership is only about 40 bucks paid once a year, and tournaments usually run between 15-35 dollars. Most tournaments you are guarenteed at least two matches. Not too bad of a value proposition.
Hope this helps your understanding of the sport.
Take care.Comment
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Lacrymosa,
So sorry to hear the bad news. You are in my prayers.Comment
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I enterred a judo competition last year after training BJJ for the last three years.....
Ippon......32 seconds......shortest loss of my judo career.
Man, it's easy to get rusty in that sport. I don't have the confidence in my tried-and-true Uchi Mata/Tai Otoshi combination I used to have down to a science.
Anyhow,
Getting back into a Judo dojo was like seeing an old friend again. Judo players have a different "smell" than that of BJJ players. I can't explain it, but anyone else ever notice this?
Judo players smell more like popcorn.Comment
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Lacrymosa,
So I smell like popcorn? Let me just tell you in advance, you ain't ever gonna get the chance to pour butter on me!Comment
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Well, it was worth the try......
My pet peeve with Nebraska Judoka (besides smelling like popcorn): The guys who play Judo with their socks on.Comment
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Judo Guy, thanks for the very detailed response. It helps me out a lot. One of the guys at our club is a judo BB, he helps me with my throws before class (a lot of fun). I think a judo competition is in my future.
Lastly, can you give me examples of waza ari, yuko and koka in lay-man's terms.Comment
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