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  • #16
    Originally posted by Shimora
    "The effect of BJJ on real, pressure tested Martial Arts has been immeasurabe."

    Exactly so why use it as an example of an effective style?

    The Japanese "sport" arts like Judo still teach brutal street defense techniques in the Dojo. These days most BJJ schools focus on grappling contests and therefore teach too much sport technique and too little real fighting technique.

    As the Japanese arts are all about breaking bones and maiming and killing they are far more effective on the street. Japanese styles are Battle Ground proven whereas BJJ is Dojo proven.

    "The only people that can beat a top level BJJ practitioner is a person who has trained under BJJ themselves"

    When did Don Frye do BJJ? How much BJJ did Mo Smith use to KO Conan? Of course you are forgetting about the legendary Japanese Martial Arts expert Sakuraba aka "The Gracie Killer" who publically humiliated the Gracie fighters one by one and smashed the BJJ myth. Yes my friend, when Japanese styles finally met Brazilian styles the results were virtually all in Japans favor. It only makes sense considering that Gracie family were taught Judo by a travelling Japanese Judoka and they changed its name to BJJ and lost some of the better technique.
    Re-tard!!!!!!

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    • #17
      Shimora-san,

      How goes it, Sempai?


      Ryu

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      • #18
        All this talk about being hospitalized and beaten up psychologically and blaming the internet for your problems... and then post that?

        How truly pathetic you are....

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        • #19
          Hello Ryu, how are you my friend?


          Roy, are you new here? I dont recall seeing you before.

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          • #20
            Hmmm...

            Originally posted by GrdStorm
            Just want to add that Wing Chun is a very good striking/defnse system. The drawback is it takes years to get proficient.
            If this is the case, then the founders of Wing Chun failed in their mission - which was to develop a style of Kung-Fu that could be learned faster than all the other styles.

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            • #21
              word

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              • #22
                Most people that study Wing Chun do not know every meaning to ever move. Most of the Wing Chun taught is watered down. Too much to explain but my family has been studying Wu Mei and Wing Chun for over 30 years under the Duncan Leung Lineage.


                Its true you can get *ok* at Wing Chun in 6 months to a year, But traditionally you learn the first form for 1-3 years. Then the second form for 1-3 Years, then the third form for 1-3. In between they throw in the butterfly knives training and crap. This is all if you want to get REAL good at wing chun.

                My point is someone studying something else such as maybe boxing probably would see faster results.


                BTW - Also something to think about, punching is pretty natural (Boxing), a Wing Chun punch is hardly natural, you have to train your mind and muscles to be relaxed and crap, so much muscle programing.

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                • #23
                  true about the punching, but now I cant punch like a boxer would, not anymore, it doesn't feel natural.

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                  • #24
                    Wing Chun is OK for people slight of frame like women, young boys and chinamen.

                    Anyobody else should train in a real martial art.

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                    • #25
                      Yeah, like Ninjitsu! What a wanker!

                      Haw haw haw!

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                      • #26
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                        Anyobody else should train in a real martial art.>>



                        Easy to say ONLINE Cyber Warrior. What a punk, LOL.

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                        • #27
                          I'm currently training in bjj but i might have a chance to do judo also.
                          a couple weeks ago i went around hanging up flyers for my bjj class, and i went back today to look at the flyer. a few ppl had taken numbers off it, but someone else had hung up a flyer right above it for judo. the flyer said "free instruction" but there's gotta be a catch. if it turns out that some guy is really giving free judo instruction then i am for sure going to try it out.

                          Judo focuses mainly on throws and takedowns doesn't it? I know their floor work is like bjj, but I'd rather do that in my bjj class.

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                          • #28
                            Well One story is that BJJ is really just the groundwork of judo. Back in the early 1900's, Judo was actually still a combat art but slowly progressed into more of a sport type of art.

                            BJJ is essentially Judo without so many intricate throws.

                            Gracies deny this and seem to sue everyone who tries to pawn this story.

                            Nonetheless BJJ is awesome

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                            • #29
                              Yeah, some people think Judo is fun. I took Judo lessons from my college and got reeeeeeally bored reeeeeally fast.
                              Anyone who tries to tell you Judo is as effective as BJJ for conditioning or self defense, is shoveling BS.

                              I took BJJ for about 6 months, went back to the Judo club for an "open mat" and kicked major ass. I seriously had never gotten more tap outs in a 30 minute time-frame.
                              Also, a bluebelt who goes to the same BJJ school as me, goes in there every week and taps out all the judo black belts. (I've watched, it's humorous.)

                              Of course there are exceptions. Some Judoka somewhere has probably beaten a BJJ'er, and I'm sure there's lots of Judoka's that could whoop my ass. But the bottom line is that Judo isn't as aggresive, ruthless, or effective as BJJ.
                              Last edited by JaredExtreme; 07-10-2002, 03:11 AM.

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                              • #30
                                "Easy to say ONLINE Cyber Warrior. "

                                Thats Cyber Ninja to you pal and dont you forget it.





                                BJJ is nothing more than Bastardised Kosen Judo. Why drink from the diluted Brazilian waters when you can learn Judo and drink from the pure waters?

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