MOst overrated fighter...

[AKF]

Most overrated fighter of all time = Bruce Lee...

Seriously, who did he fight?? Name me five people of conseqence he beat. Did you know that he had a 'friendly' fighting compeition with Gene LaBell and got detroyed. He went on publically to proclaim Gene LaBell the most 'dangerous man in the world' -- before anyone comes on here and doubts that, I am looking at the interview Bruce Lee said that in right now.

Pit Dog said it the best. Bruce Lee was a great student and philosopher, but he was no fighter.

[jim]

Muhammid Ali had hand speed from God. He could hit the best any time he wanted with a jab. That jab would put any untrained person down. After the jab, Ali could get away because he was so light on his feet. Everyone he fought was a puching bag for him. They had to chase him trying to get close enough to hit him. His feet were not trained to kick. Certainly the foot ability was with him, but he had not trained that way.

Norton caught Ali in in the corner and broke his jaw with a ebow shot. Ali continued and won the fight. Ali could take pain easily. He went to the hospital after the fight to get his jaw wired. The doc smart moulth Ali. Ali went to a different hospital and doctor.

When Ali fought the grapeler in Japan, he was smart enough to not let the guy grab him. On the ground the grappeler easily controled, but Ali would get a foot outside the ring before things went bad for him. The fight was a draw. Neither fighter would get into the other man's area of strength.

Yes, Ali was the greatest. No doubt about it. He should have stopped fighting before his brain got scrambled. Buster Homes did the scrambling in that last fight. Ali would not go down. He just kept taking heavy shots to the side of his head till the end of the fight.

Ali was the Louieville lip early in his corear. Now, he cannot talk at all. A sad situation. God be with him.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Re: ROTFLMFAO

Originally posted by Pit Dog
It is absolutely astounding to me how many DUMMIES think that a skinny UNPROVEN little guy like Bruce Lee could whip the greatest heavyweight boxer that ever lived.

Bruce Lee was a STRIKER, with very limited grappling skills. There is no way he could even tickle Muhammed Ali with his punches or kicks. Ali NEVER was KO'd by anyone ... and he was hit by the hardest-hitting fighters ever ... Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Frazier, Liston ... none of these men could KO Ali ... and they were 200+ lb PROFESSIONALS.

Bruce Lee studied the ridiculous art of Wing Tsun, added REMEDIAL boxing to his arsenal ... and NEVER TESTED IT.

I mean, aside from the ridiculous stories of him beating up some "old master" in the streets of China somewhere ... or some other UNPROVEN fighter ... who couldn't even get a boxing license, let alone achieve world-class status as Ali's opponents were ... WHO DID BRUCE LEE EVER BEAT???

No one.

And yet, you see numbskulls TO THIS DAY ready to say he would have beaten Ali! ... LMFAO

Get real people!

Has this forum degenerated so much that people STILL can't figure out that MOST of the martial arts in this world are complete hogwash? Because that's what Bruce was schooled in - primarily HOGWASH.

Sure, Bruce had great ideals, and timeless principles, but he really was just beginning to discard the useless wing tsun for boxing ... and was just learning grappling ... when he died. But MOST of what he knew and was trained in was GARBAGE.

AND he was a 145 lb welterweight to boot!

So, LMAO, please don't tell me that this Asian FRED ETTISH would have had a snowball's chance in hell of defeating the greatest heavyweight fighter who ever lived.

PLEASE!

Thank you

Pit Dog!!! How in the hell have you been, man??
The old schoolers are coming out again!

Ryu

[Tom Yum]

So, LMAO, please don't tell me that this Asian FRED ETTISH would have had a snowball's chance in hell of defeating the greatest heavyweight fighter who ever lived>>>

Uhh, i don't think Bruce Lee is as bad as Fred Ettish from UFC 1; he is probably like a Mark Hall, from the earlier UFCs. Agreed that Bruce Lees fighting concepts were an unfinished project; who knows where he would be today.

Its just useless to say he is the world's best fighter and also useless to say he is the worst.

[jukado1]

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are some of you training with FAKE SAGE??? if you make a statement try to have some knowldge of what you speak.
1. when Ali fought Ken Norton their first fight Ali LOST and had his jaw broken.
2. Bruce Lee never broke Chuck Norris's leg, the movie "return of the dragon" was not a documentury..
3. Ali fought Larry Holmes, not buster holmes, and no tank abbot did not invent martial arts.
train hard, train smart.

[Vikram Arya]

Hello

Hello all,

This is quite an old thread and I thought I'd add to it for fun. Please bear in mind that I'm a newbie to martial arts and I know very little...just making a general observation which may or may not be right - feel free to correct me.

I don't see how Ali can be considered an overated fighter - boxing is a way of fighting and he is widely regarded as the best boxer ever. Yes comparing him to the UFC guys it would seem that he would loose in a fight. It could then be said that he's 'overated' but that still isn't the right word to use. Overmatched would probably be more of the appropriate word.

Bruce Lee...well I'd be lying if I said I didn't buy into the legend. I've had the discussion before where I though Lee would kick Mike Tyson's butt with friends and I always leaned towards Lee winning on pure speed and skill - not saying that Tyson isn't fast either. I think based on what I've read my idea of Bruce Lee is also that one of someone who was trying to perfect a fighting style for himself...incorportating what worked best for him. Hence JKD came forth. (Once again I have a limited understanding so I won't bother elaborating since I know I'd be spewing garbage here lol)

Who would win in a fight Lee or Ali - I'm leaning towards saying since Lee's training and experimentation were incomplete he would probably not fight Ali until he would be ready. For kicks I'll just say I would like Lee to have won in a ring or street fight. Just my opinion

KV
-Taken a few lessons with Tim M. in JKD - pure NEWBIE

[rapture]

just my opinion on the matter..
Ali had super fast hands
Bruce lee had super fast hands to
they both had exceptional footwork...
in a boxing match i believe ali would have won just because of his size and reach.... But if bruce was aloud to use trapping techniques it might have been a different story...as for a street fight bruce lee would play with ali......
when you guys talk about ufc and nhb fights you guys talk like those champions are the best fighter's in the world when they may not be.... ufc and other nhb competetions are simply a sport with heaps and heaps of rules... in the street there are no rules and this is what bruce lee was training his body for and not for some competetion where stomp kicks to the knee are illegal... the street is different to the ring the same as the gym mats are different to fighting on a set of stairs..
i love striking arts and grappling arts but all these things should be trained 2 different ways one for real life encounters on the street and one for sport events like ufc

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[ryta1203]

Ali would dominate Bruce simply do to the size difference. It's just a matter of physics, has nothing to do with style, techniques, etc. They are both very fast and have great technique for their styles. But eventually Ali is going to hit Bruce, and that will be that. Don't get me wrong, I would love to say that Bruce would kick Ali's ass. I would love to think that the smaller guy who trained in different styles and brought a real philosophy to it would win, but I just can't believe that to be the case. Size does matter. BIG TIME BRO!!, lol. later

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by ryta1203
Ali would dominate Bruce simply do to the size difference. It's just a matter of physics, has nothing to do with style, techniques, etc. They are both very fast and have great technique for their styles. But eventually Ali is going to hit Bruce, and that will be that. Don't get me wrong, I would love to say that Bruce would kick Ali's ass. I would love to think that the smaller guy who trained in different styles and brought a real philosophy to it would win, but I just can't believe that to be the case. Size does matter. BIG TIME BRO!!, lol. later

Rita, so its all about physics and purely down to size and nothing to do with technique?????

Really ?

Then tell me my learned friend.
To name just one,
I seem to remember Royce Gracie 170lbs,
doing rather well against much bigger opponents !

Does this defy the law of physics?
Did you fail "physics" at school ?

You seem somewhat confused as to the correct equation,
used for combat.

Similar abilities, yes size is a big advantage,
different abilities = different situation !
Did you fail maths as well ?

Rita, we already know that you failed in your "biology"
Keep taking the hormones !