Who killed JFK and why?

[Tony10]

Wow. What a coincidence!

[Beatle]

Some advice for Hawk- If you hear galloping hoofs think horses not zebras.

[pfsjkd]

I seem to remember that there was a strong case that the mob killed him. Supposedly Old Joe Kennedy had used his mob connections to help Jack win the White House and then Jack and RFK turn around and declare a war on organized crime. I can't remember the 2 mobsters that were suspected of ordering the hit though.

Another interesting tidbit is the 'three tramps'. Anybody ever heard of them?

[Hawk]

I guess it just depends on where you live Beatle.
Hawk

[Tony10]

PFSJKD:

Yes, you are absolutely correct with the mob/JFK/RFK connection.

Most conspiracy theorists have no doubt the mob actually executed the killing; whether they were acting on their own accord (doubtful) or hired by somebody (probable) or just volunteered (always a possibility when you're talkin' JFK!) for somebody else remains to be proven.

The "three tramps" photgraphed in Dealey Plaza were indeed a peculiar sight.

Fast forward to something even more interesting: a police sketch of MLK's assassin in Memphis was a dead ringer for one of them. The accepted story in our U.S. collective conscience is that J.E. Ray shot King from his boarding room window (shades of the 7th floor book depository). In fact, many witnesses in that immediate area claimed there were men dressed as policemen, who fired from a tree grove beneath that window. The idea that one of them may have been in Dealey Plaza?

Coincidence?

[Hawk]

pfsjkd,
During Kennedy's term he was sharing a mistress with Giacanna and she was bringing messages back & forth between them. Giacanna never could figure out how on one hand JFK would always be trying to keep the Mafia on his side and on the other his right hand man, RFK, would be landing on them with all four feet. Quite frankly, no one else has really figured it out either. The 2 gangsters you're thinking about
are Santos Trafficante out of Florida and Carlos Marcellos (kidnapped by RFK) out of New Orleans. Both made statements to FBI informants that Kennedy would be hit and the informants relayed the message before the assassanation. Charles Harrelson, considered the cream of the crop in Texas contract for hire shooters, had links to both the CIA & organized crime. He is Woody Harrelson's father. He's now doing time for taking out a San Antonio Federal Judge. He has been linked numerous times to the assassination and is a dead ringer for the tall "tramp". If Charles ever writes a book and tells it like it is, we very well may know a lot more then we do now.
Hawk

[Tony10]

Whoa. I didn't know about that Harrelson connection.

So if what you say is true, he was great at procuring shooters. And he was one of the "tramps."

Another one of these "tramps" would later allegedly be a dead ringer for one of the MLK shooters.

Coincidence!

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/3tramps.htm

[Edited by Tony10 on 10-25-2000 at 04:47 PM]

[Hawk]

Tony 10,
A couple of books, "Broken Silence" and "The Man on the Grassy Knoll", to read talk about Harrelson. The last puts him as a shooter on the knoll. Charles actually admitted having a part in it at one time, however it was dismissed because he was so drunk & doped up he had no idea where he was. There is some I'm not telling based on information I received while working DC in La. and as a deputy in Harris County, however since I gave my promise, it stays with me.
Hawk

[Ronin]

Hawk and/or Tony10:

You guys keep mentioning the Mob. Since when does the Mob employ expert marksmen? I thought they liked to kill at close-range to make sure the job was done thoroughly.

So, basically you guys are saying you believe that a bunch of disgruntled ex-CIA people including Dulles were behind the assassination? So why drag in the Mob? And what was Oswald's part?

BTW, before he was offed, what did Oswald claim? I thought he said he was innocent of killing Kennedy, but he did admit to shooting Officer Tippett, correct? What was his story?

[Tony10]

Oh, the mob/is was a lot more accomplished than your garden-variety icepick-in-the-head whack jobs like in Goodfellas. Plus, they keep quiet. Most of the time. Didn't matter this time, because anybody who could have sang met a particularly gruesome and unfortunate end.

Oz claimed--surprise--that he was a patsy and that he did not shoot the president.

Don't know what he said about Tippet, but that whole event is a whole other pandora's box of misinformation that I'll let Hawk open, 'cause I have to go home. I will tell you that a guy who chased the Tippet shooter immediately afterward swore it was not Oz. He was bullied to change his story by authorities and refused. Not much later he was shot through the head with a rifle in a basement. He miraculously survived. His shooter was arrested, then released when his stripper girlfriend from--hello!--Jack Ruby's club testified that he was with her at the time of the shooting. Later, she was arrested for disorderly conduct and found hung in her cell. Coincidences all around!!

The guy who's story didn't change finally DID change when somebody tried to abduct his young daughter into a car.

By the way, one "witness" who was offed told people she had seen Oswald, Ruby and... woo-hoo!... Tippet together before the assassination day.

Coincidence?

See you soon.

[Edited by Tony10 on 10-25-2000 at 05:27 PM]

[Beatle]

Originally posted by Hawk
I guess it just depends on where you live Beatle.
Hawk

touche!

[Lacrymosa]

OK. I was planning on leaving this forum quietly, but I have to put in my two cent on the JFK Matter.

Who shot JFK?

Until some documents in Washington are revealed to the general public, we may never actually know. I'm convinced that LHO had a minor role in the incident, but I don't believe that he fired a single shot at Kennedy.

Was the JFK murder a conspiracy?

There is no doubt in my mind that it was a massive conspiracy. There are too many suspicious moves on all sides to make this murder possible. Who is responsible? The government? The mafia? I would say a mixture of both. The mafia could possibly manage a covert "hit" on the president, but the mafia wouldn't be capable of re-directing a Presidential motorcade.

Who benefited from JFK's death?

The Vietnam war machine and the companies who profited from it. Think about it: Kennedy was planning a large withdrawal of troops from Vietnam before his death. On November 22nd, that all ended by the bullet of a "lone gunman". Kennedy's body was barely in the ground when LBJ committed the United States to the war in Vietnam. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy's political platform was based largely on ending the conflict in Vietnam. A "lone gunman" would put a premature end to his presidential campaign. Coincidence? I don't think so!

On a sidenote (this is speculation on my behalf) George Bush was head of the CIA when Kennedy was killed. Gerald Ford was a member of the Warren Commision that "investigated" Kennedy's assassination. Both of them eventually became the most powerful men in the United States. Bush would end up fronting the "JFK Act" after Oliver Stone's release of the movie.

Notes:

Why was Lee Harvey Oswald determined to have not fired a rifle the day Kennedy was killed? Only after Oswald's death and autopsy was his palm print conveniently found on the suspected murder weapon.

Why was a man allowed to open an umbrella directly in front of Kennedy's limo? This can clearly be seen on the Zapruder film as the motorcade approached the kill zone. There are many theories to the reasoning behind the umbrella, but where was the Secret Service when this happened? Was the umbrella a signal for something?



At any rate, I'm a firm believer that the government took his life. There is too much evidence to dismiss Kennedy's assassination as a crazed act by a lone gunman. Since the government is virtually apathetic to this evidence, one can suspect that Big Brother was definitely involved.

Goodbye forum.

[Ronin]

Lac, why are you leaving?

I wanna hear more about the umbrella!

[judo guy]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. The reason he killed him is because Oswald had good aim.

I imagine that if you asked the follow up question "Do you believe in flying saucers?" that you would find a higher percentage of believers among the conspiracy theorists than those who think Oswald acted alone.

[luke]

Tnoy10

Tony,

I don't necessarily agree with this theory but, JFK's head going backward was once explained by G. Gordon Liddy (if you choose to believe him). He stated that JFK could have been shot in the back of the head, if the bullet exits the front, the release of force created by the exiting would throw the head back. He used an airplane as an analogy. If an airplane (JFK's head) flew towards the back of the car, the exhaust (JFK's brain and skull) would fly toward the front of the car. I can see that point to some extent, but I also know that every time I have ever shot at an empty can, the can flew in the direction the bullet was traveling, not toward me.