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    Ancient Greek Pankration: pictures and discussion


    Most of us know that ancient Greek Pankration was a form of sportive combat similar to modern-day
    mixed-martial arts competitions. However, I've come across some interesting details of the fight
    process and traditions that I thought you might be interested in.

    Rules: The rules of pankration were simple: Opponents begin facing each other; there is no
    biting, eye gouging, or fish-hooking allowed; and the match ends with the submission of one
    fighter. Those were the standard rules, although competitions in some city-states varied; for
    example, both biting and eye gouging were perfectly legal in pankration among the Spartans, but the
    Eleans allowed only choke holds as a form of submission. A referee, called an Umpire, was present
    to enforce these rules. Rather than stop the action or take "points" from one fighter, the Umpire
    carried a long stick with which he would beat the offending fighter until he ceased the
    infraction. This Umpire wore an official uniform resembling the familiar tunic common at the time,
    but with distinguishing embellishments. In the earlier periods of Greek history, the
    Pankrataists wore only a loincloth to the fights, but during the times of the ancient Olympics,
    the fighters were required to fight fully nude, including the prohibition of any protective
    clothing or equipment such as padded gloves. Generally, there were both mens and boys
    competitions. Also, many pankration fighters also entered the wrestling competition at the Olympic
    games. In the ancient Olympics, seven fighters were recorded as being champion of both the
    pankration and wrestling competitions, with Kapros of Elis being the first.

    Other combat sports: This brings us to the distinction between pankration and two other popular
    combat sports of the time, boxing and wrestling. One way to distinguish the type of fight that is
    occurring in period art representations is the equipment used and the positions of the fighters.
    The fist picture below shows the pads over the knuckles used by boxers of the time, which were
    never used in pankration matches. During boxing fights, no grappling of any form was allowed, but
    kicking was allowed at various periods and places. Since the pankrataists didn't wear gloves,
    striking with the hands played less of a role in the outcome of fights back then compared with
    modern mixed-martial arts, and wins by submission after an hour-long fights were more common.
    While kicking from the feet was a common technique, punching was more limited and more often used
    while grappling from a superior position, either to submit an opponent whose arms were tied up, or
    to set up a grappling submission. Wrestling during this period was more similar to Greco-Roman
    wrestling and judo in form, mainly involving upper-body throws and takedowns. When a part of a
    wrestler's body besides his feet touched the ground, a point was scored and the wrestlers were
    re-started on their feet. Pankration was the only combat form at the time that used ground
    grappling and a larger amount of time was spent ground grappling in pankration matches than
    stand-up fighting. For this reason we know that sculptures like those in the second picture
    represent pankration, rather than wrestling; even though the fighter on top has put in what modern
    wrestlers would call a "leg ride" or "grape vine" and Brazilian jiu-jitsu artists call a "hook,"
    the fighters are pankrataists, and in fact the top fighter is setting up a punch with his right
    arm. Incidentally, ground grappling was rarely taught to military soldiers in the infantry.
    Generals saw little use for it in military combat, as both Plato and Alexander the Great commented,
    favoring boxing and wrestling.

    Pankration matches were not always pure forms of combat; in fights outside of the Olympic games,
    the fans enjoyed displays of skill more than they valued seeing one fighter revel in victory. As a
    result, some fights were sparring matches or even technique demonstrations between training
    partners, while others began as sparring matches that, at an agreed upon point, would escalate into
    a purer form of competition. However, the truly epic matches always involved a high achievement
    motivation of both fighters, and the fights could become truly vicious. For example, there was no
    rule against small joint manipulations. In fact, some fighters were renowned for being good at
    breaking fingers, and one fighter in particular, Arrhachion, was famous for his technique of
    breaking his opponent's toes to escape a choke hold and win the title of Olympic Champion that
    year.

    While most matches ended with both fighters living, and in fact most matches ended without injury
    to either fighter, occasionally a fighter would hold a choke on an opponent to the point of death,
    particularly in fights with bigger names where a fighter would rather die than lose.


    Okay, on to the pictures. As stated above, the first picture shows a a boxer's gloves, which are made of three bands of leather around the knuckles with a little padding inside, and a band of fur located at the top of the forearm to hold the glove tight to the fist. The second picture shows a leg ride and punch set-up in a pankration match. Following that is a copy of a scene from an inscription, depicting a pankration match with one fighter holding is opponent in a guillotine choke and preparing to strike to the face. Note the Umpire with his stick to the right, and another pankration fighter awaiting the outcome on the right. The fourth picture is taken from a vase dated between the 6th and 4th century BC, and shows one pankration fight scene (note the Umpire about to strike the fighter who is gouging his opponent) and two boxing matches. Lastly is a copy of an amphora design showing two wrestling matches. Notice the use of the arm-drag, a contemporary wrestling move.


    Hope you enjoy them-- Bill Urquhart

    P.S. If anyone else has similar photos of ancient combat sports, please contact me at
    ravenman2000@hotmail.com

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    • #3
      I know most of you old timers have seen these, but I wanted to post them again for those who have not.


      The above photos show that the moves we use today in wrestling, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and judo were
      in use thousands of years ago. To further illustrate this point, I'd like to present a few more
      pictures that I took in Tunisia. All four of the jpgs below are pictures I took of mosaic art in
      Tunisia that were taken from coliseums and halls left behind by the ancient Romans,
      Carthaginians, and Assyrians around the 2nd to 4th centuries AD. The first picture shows what we
      would today call a reverse triangle choke, and the top man is also preparing to strike to the
      head. The second picture shows the top man preparing some type of leg maneuver, perhaps to
      hold-down his opponent, turn him over, break down his base, or possibly move into a leg lock. The
      third picture shows a depiction of two pankration-style matches, and the last picture shows a boxing match with one fighter knocked down to his knee (note
      the blood spurting from his forehead).









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      • #4
        interesting post and a good one! Thanks man. I notice the Umpire using the stick on one of the contenders. I think he was going for an eye gouge.

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        • #5
          He sure is Yella Tiger. Wouldn't it be cool if Big John carried around a club and started beating the fighters when they broke the rules or stalled? That would make things more exciting, I tell you what.

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          • #6
            Very interesting post

            To me its always fascinating to read about ancient mixed martial arts stuff like this. Always offers an interesting perspective on the development of our arts. The Pankration thing reminds me of the "lei tai" matches of China. Lei tai matches were the arena where practitioners of different forms of Chinese martial arts such as Changquan (which was the traditional boxing art that many forms of Gung fu were derived from), Shuai Chiao (Chinese wrestling) and the earlier animal fighting methods competed in freestyle combat. There were very often no rules and to my understanding, fatalities weren't unusual. There were even lei tai matches pitting different weapons fighting methods such as spear, sword, broadsword, etc against one another. The difference between lei tai matches and Pankration is that lei tai matches weren't huge spectator entertainment events. They were meant as more of an arena for different schools of martial arts in a particular area would decide who was the best. People who were interested in learning martial arts would watch the fights and then seek to enroll at whichever school came out victorious. The only way for an aspiring martial arts instructor to establish a name and business for himself was to set up a lei tai challenge and beat the local schools. Lei tai fighters were notorious for using dirty strategies to enhance their performance. A very strong kicker, for example, might go into a fight wearing spike tipped shoes to make his kicks extremely deadly. A fighter using an edged weapon might cover the blade in poison. because of the extremely chaotic and brutal nature of these types of fights caused them to steadily die out as Chinese culture became more and more civilized and regulated. The lei tai sport would probably have thrived for much longer if it was given more organization and regulation like Pankration had. But anyway, the Pankration topic just kinda brought Lei tai fighting to my mind so i thought I'd share my limited knowledge on it.

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            • #7
              naked grappling...don't they do that kinda stuff in san fransisco?

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              • #8
                Cool pictures.

                One issue though:

                Is it just the homophobic in me, or would it creep you out to have a dude with no pants putting you in a triangle?

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                • #9
                  Kinda scary, isn't it Mickey?

                  Know what's scarier? Not only did they fight naked, but in Sparta, gouging and biting were legal... so that means technically... if someone triangled you.... you could bite their nuts!!! I wonder what the Umpire would do in a situation like that!



                  Another thing I noticed is how small the genetalia is in most of the depictions... Perhaps they were clipped for combat, like pit bulls have their ears done! j/k

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                  • #10
                    Interesting Maxxximus. At what time did these Lei Tai matches occur?

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                    • #11
                      how bout being IN the triangle?! you gotta have some dude's sweaty, nasty, stanky nut sack in your face? fuk that! that ain't "man fighting"!
                      they didn't even have t.p. back then for pete's sake...

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                      • #12
                        Bite their pubes off!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Great Post!

                          That was really interesting. Do you know if modern Pancration(more clothes) will be in the Olympics in Greece?

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                          • #14
                            Cool stuff, there is a book that I think is called:"Combat sports in the ancient world". It talks alot about all three arts. Pankration, wrestling and boxing.

                            I would disagree about the second picture though. In ancient greece you took a fall if any part of your shoulders touched the ground. To me it looks like the wrestler on top is trying to lever his opponent over, in order to score a fall. Still I could be wrong though.

                            As a note: Pankrationist were nicknamed mules, by the romans, for the amount of kicking that went on in a match.

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                            • #15
                              the lei tai matches were carried out on platforms about 6 feet off the ground, so anyone who was out of bounds would fall off the edge and land on the ground, sometimes spikes would be placed on the outside of the platform to "motivate" anyone on the stage to fight.. fights like this occured up until the 1920's.. thats when the government outlatwed them, because alot of the countries top amsters would become crippled or maimed because of these matches..

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