best arts of all time

[terry]

Originally posted by mike
And Victor de Thouras seems like a bad mo-fo

Mike

He is. He also removes the lever, changes angles and several other key ingredients from Serak when teaching publically. It is certainly his perogative to do this, and I do not question his judgement or integrity. However, it IS my perogative to spend time on martial arts that teach correct mechanics from day 1. I don't have time to do otherwise, especially when there is a Muay Thai champ or a BJJ black belt that will bend over to really lay their art out correctly for me the first time.

T

[mike]

Terry-

can i get an amen?


thanks,


Mike

[Scott Kano]

I didnt read what most effective for what, But I just voted my fav martial arts. As I currently do Judo and love it and have done a little akidio which I liked as well. Love it for its gracefulness and control.

Scott

[Szczepankiewicz]

Best arts of all time: For combat effectiveness?


I chose JKD. In my opinion, it's the only one on the list that has a prayer to be 'combat effective'. We are talking about combat, not dueling, not self defense, and not sport fighting.

Spanky

The man who enters combat unarmed is an unprepared fool.

[H@pkid0ist]

Here is my question. Unless someone has studied all of them and taken in all of the basics of each one, then how are you gona make an informed opinion? Lets see on the list I hahe studied--
Muai Thai
Wing Chun/Monkey (KF)
Shorin Ryu (Karate)
JuJitsu
Tae Kwon Do
Hap Ki Do
Now what we need to do is define the diference between self-defense and combat:

Combat/Verb

Main Entry: [2]com·bat
Pronunciation: k&m-'bat, 'käm-"
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -bat·ed or -bat·ted; -bat·ing or -bat·ting
Etymology: Middle French combattre, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin combattere, from Latin com- + battuere to beat
Date: 1564
intransitive senses
: to engage in combat : FIGHT
transitive senses
1 : to fight with : BATTLE
2 : to struggle against; especially : to strive to reduce or eliminate
synonym see OPPOSE

Combat/Noun

Main Entry: [1]com·bat
Pronunciation: 'käm-"bat
Function: noun
Date: 1546
1 : a fight or contest between individuals or groups
2 : CONFLICT, CONTROVERSY
3 : active fighting in a war : ACTION

Self- defense

Main Entry: self-de·fense
Pronunciation: "self-di-'fen(t)s
Function: noun
Date: 1651
1 : a plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide
2 : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative

Compare them-----------------------------------------------------------------

1 : to fight with : BATTLE
2 : to struggle against; especially : to strive to reduce or eliminate

1 : a fight or contest between individuals or groups
2 : CONFLICT, CONTROVERSY

2 : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative
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These are the main defenitions coppied right from the dictionary off of the computer.

Now ask yourself the same question. Here is your answer. The best system is the one that you have taken the time to understand and master. The best system is the one that works for you. In a street fight you are using self-defense, but it is still a combat between two seperate people. By defenition they are interchangable in that when you are in combat you are defending yourself, and when you use self defense you are forced into combat. The only real diference are where it takes place and the level of force and aggression you use. With any of the other system I studied I was competant enough to do serious damage and worse if needed. Its a matter of knowing when to use what and how. If you are on a military combat mission then you will not use a bunch of high kicks, or go to the ground all of the time. But if the situation were to call for it, like the two of you fell to the ground, then you would use a quick and desisive ground technique. Same as in the street. Except you would not go to the ground or take a life unless it was 100% completely nessesary.
Military, law enforcement, some MAists, do not train for sport. Thode that train for sport do not train for combat. But anyone with any common sence will be able to defend themselves in a combat situation reguardless of what they study for. Its a matter of knowing when to do what and how. I have been around this game for 23 years almost. This is one thing I have seen to be a constant, reguardless of what you study. In other words, don't focus on high kicks, going to the ground, punching them in the face. Focus on saving your butt and you probebly will. And no one ever said you would come out without a mark. Just be happy to come out of it alive.

D.W. McCullar, prior U.S. Military and life long Martial Artist.

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

I chose between Muay Thai and JKD...

And I chose Muay Thai. Krav Maga should have been on there. Along with lots of others.

[crazyjoe380]

even if there was other martial arts there..

muay thai
jiu jitsu
JKD

would still rank above the rest

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

I think this is a hard poll to vote for, because it really depends on the practitioner...oh well. Still, Muay Thai and JKD are top on my list.

[Guest]

Its all nonsense. People, not styles, win fights.

[chris davis 200]

MT, JKD, TKD, Karate, JuJutsu (traditional or Brazilian) blah blah blah!!!

Non of these are best!

Your own abilities and training are what make you a good street fighter, competitor, whatever. We all have 2 arms, 2 legs ( well most of us) so combat will be combat. To say one style is better than all the others is just nonsense!! If you train in MT (people seem to be voting for this alot) just once a week and someone else practices Karate everyday then they will most probably defeat the MT guy! and vise versa. This is not to say that some arts get you there quicker, some get you there more effectivley, some get you in the right frame of mind, some teach you to resolve other than fighting etc etc. But there are far too many factors to say which is best, which is rubbish etc.

It depends upon your teacher, your comitment, how much time you can spend, your natural ability to learn, your frame of mind regarding training, and many many many more fators which cannot be determined unless you have infinate knowledge of every martial style on the planet!

IMO obviously!

cheers!!

Chris

[robertlee]

No best arts just some good ones. The person is there art Thats what makes the good arts good people.

[conach]

Szcze, I agree... JKD is IMO the true beginning of cross training.

- Reject what is useless
- Research your own experience
- Add what is specifically your own
(Bruce Lee)

And Chris 200... If you train in MT (people seem to be voting for this alot) just once a week and someone else practices Karate everyday then they will most probably defeat the MT guy!

Better do some serious thinking on this... A MT practitioner has a much harder and effective training than a Karate one. Does a Karate practitioner have the shins of a Thai one? A MT fellow will not train once a week. Motivation is key here. Getting results in MT is one thing that sticks u to the gym. I bet probably no less than twice a week in the beginning to get used to the pain, some will even go at least 3 times a week.

Viceversa?? Sorry my friend, no vice-versa applies here. Some background history... In the late 1970's, Benny "The Jet" Urquidez (supposed to be the ultimate in Kickboxing) faced Prayoud Sittiboonlert of Thailand in Japan. The rules in this encounter allowed the use of knees. Sittiboonlert was not the current Muay Thai Champion. Nevertheless, he punished Urquidez so bad that Urquidez's cornermen threw in the towel at the end of Round 2...

Its not that we're "voting" for Muay Thai a lot. Muay Thai dominates in the NHB world today. Freestyles like Vale Tudo and Shootfighting have Muay Thai striking techniques in them...

That's a wrap... Later people

[chris davis 200]

conach,

My intention was not to slate MT in the slightest - I mearly used it to say that how good the art is, is down to the practioner.

A MT practitioner has a much harder and effective training than a Karate one. Does a Karate practitioner have the shins of a Thai one? A MT fellow will not train once a week.

That really is one majorly generalised view!!! i KNow several people that train in MT once a week and cant fight to save their ass! they are training as a fitness thing though so that doesn't matter to them! (including my grlfriend)

As for Karate practitioners! I do not study Karate so i have no loyalty to the style BUT..... this statment again does not take into account the many TRADITIONAL styles of kararte (not the american kick boxing sh**).

The Kyokushinkai (ultimate truth) Karate traditionally strike each other with planks of wood while stood in horse stance, all over the legs (including shins), along the arms and all over the trunk of the body. They also punch & kick into gravel, glass, and at bricks, wood and metal to a)strengthen the strikeing areas and b) intcrease to pain threshold. I would say that is quite good conditioning!! When training at the hombu dojo as Uchi Deishi (live in student) you are required to get up at 5 in the morning and TRAIN HARD until 9 at night. I would say that this is hard training!

take a look at www.mcdojo.com - go to the vrs section and look at Kyokushin vs wing chun - quite funny and i am sure you will see the similarities to MT.

Its not that we're "voting" for Muay Thai a lot. Muay Thai dominates in the NHB world today. Freestyles like Vale Tudo and Shootfighting have Muay Thai striking techniques in them...

Techniques similar to those of MT are used granted, but these techniques are used in Kararte, Kung Fu etc also. boxing style punches, hard low roundhouse kicks etc etc are all found in styles other than MT. I DO have a good respect for MT but i do not beleive that IT is THE solution, i think the PRACTITIONER is!!

Cheers
Chris

[platinum_angel]

i would say mixed martial arts

[BlackSnow]

I Agree

I agree with conach