Is there controversy with the mixed martial artist and the kung fu fighters?

[crazyjoe380]

thanks .. i'll try to try it.. sounds hard.. where am i gonna find sand..



lolololol...

[jmd161]

Home Depot has the sand.

Fine sand,play sand ,and blasting sand.

Actually the bb's and lead pellets are gonna be the hardest things to find.

But it works wonders for the hands also use pickle jars the big ones.Fill little by little with water.When full use sand little by little.when full use bb's and then lead pellets.Use only your finger tips to lift jars hold them out in front of you then rotate the wrist up and down.Builds finger power and the wrist power.If your wrist iis not developed a strong punch by you could break your own wrist.

jmd161

[Guest]

What was that crap about taking 6 months to get a decent "Horse" stance?

Anyway, I think you Black Tiger people should leave the Horses alone. there are laws against it, dontcha know.

[crazyjoe380]

^^^

lol your a sick man..hahah

[Guest]

I know. I am so proud!

[crazyjoe380]

So what's the deal??

kung fu or mma?

[Guest]

It has to be MMA. I know it is a sport, but much of it can translate to the street. OK, there are circumstances were it is best NOT to go to the ground. But nowadays they're all into Thai anyway. And they are fit and can give and take punishment.

Most Kung Fu is pretentious nonsense. All that arm waving an internal chi rubbish. Yeah, right........

They should have learnt their lesson in the late 70's when they challenged Thai Boxers. They got their back sides handed to them on a plate.

But people love to believe mysterious nonsense, whether or not its about life after death, aliens, the Loch Ness Monstaer, or mysterious chi........

MMA focus their training on winning real fights, albeit in the sporting context. Kung Fu focuses on punching thin air, and waving limbs about in an artistic manner.

Nuff said.

[yenhoi]

San Shou guys have defeated the national thai team the last 4 years in thailand.

Its how you train, not what you train.

[Guest]

There is some truth in that.

[jmd161]

Not some truth 100% fact.

Originally posted by Bri Thai
There is some truth in that.

Bri Thai ,

I don't go for all that ancient history crap!!

Whether it was 100yrs ago or 100 minutes ago.I don't care what Muay Thai or even Tae Bo did to someone from kung fu.I look at what have i done or better what has been done against me.I'm still upset from a fight i had yrs ago.

Why?

Because the guy landed a punch on my shoulder.To me it was to close to my face.I pride myself on my defense in a fight the fact that i've never been hit in the face or head means alot to me.I'm not bragging but as good as my defense is my offense is twice as good.It's how you train not so much what you train.I don't care what those guys did to kung fu 50yrs ago.

What have you done to Kung Fu?

Don't tell us what someone else did you don't know the full story with that you were'nt there neither was myself.If you don't like kung fu fine more power to you.

But don't say it's crap off someone else's fights like you're the one that beat kung fu.Anyone can quote history of a battle or fight.What means something is were you in that battle or fight?Not that your style or someone else's style won a fight against another style 80yrs agoThat's worth as much on the streets as a wooden nickle.

jmd161.

[jmd161]

And to add to that............

Even if kung fu was to out of no where rule the UFC for the next 20yrs that don't mean Sh!t to me.It's not the style's that's fighting in the ring.

It's man versus man period!

Yeah they might use techniques from styles ,but that's as close as it gets to style versus style.

Bri Thai ,

I'm proud of my art and i see you are too ,but unlike you i'm not going to down talk your art to make mine look better.And i'm sure as hell not going to do it off someone's else hard work.

jmd161

[Guest]

That'll teach me! Fancy me daring to say "There is some truth in that".

I MUST HAVE BEEN OUT OF MY MIND!!!!

[jmd161]

It's ok i understand.............

I MUST HAVE BEEN OUT OF MY MIND!!!!

Bri Thai,

Don't worry i understand your problem.It must be all those takedowns you guys work on.

I'm sure your head hits the ground alot. lol

Somethings bound to come loose.

jmd161

[Guest]

Just because I think MMA will wipe the floor with Kung Fu, it does not necessarily mean that I do MMA. Although I do enjoy ground grappling, my main art is now Close Quarter Combatives, a style designed for and taught to special forces in WW2.

Do they do jumping techniques in Black Tiger? As you seem to be good at jumping to conclusions.

[bjjbeijing]

kung fu vs mma

just my own personal opinion...

kung fu is the same as mma. there are no rules in mma, just like there are no rules in kung fu. the reason we don't see many kung fu practitioners fighting in mma events or even kickboxing events is because most kung fu practioners don't train properly. they train to gouge eyes and rip out throats and that kind of stuff...

the problem is, they can't really train for that at full speed because they can't find any training partners to do that with... boxers can hit each other with all they got, because they're using protective equipment to prevent each other from getting hurt. kung fu practitioners cannot hit each other full strength or attack each other at full strength because they would rip each others throats or eyeballs out... so, they don't attack at full power or full speed, because they would hurt each too badly, and nobody would continue training with them... because they don't train at full power, it amounts to half-assed training...

instead of putting on gloves and going at it full speed, they spend their time slamming their fingers into sand, hot iron balls, stones, whatever else... to make their hands strong. the result is... really strong hands but lack of practical sparring experience, against an opponent who resists, defends and attacks at full speed.

on the street, the kungfu practitioner might have really strong fingers, but he's never jabbed his partner's eye during training... he's never attacked his training partner's throat at full power. what makes him think he will be able to do it once he gets on the street... there is a clear lack of common sense... not just with kung fu practioners... almost all martial arts practitioners who don't train realistically have this same mentality...

professional boxers... all they do is train to hit a guy on the chin... the chin is a much bigger target than the eye... how many times do you see a boxer knock the opponent out with his first punch... only mike tyson in his younger days... but even tyson doesn't knock out the opponent in the first punch... it was in the first round, after a few good set-ups to the body, then the double hooks to the jaw... but not the first punch...

so if a boxer has that much difficulty hitting a guy in the jaw, and all he does is train at full power to hit a guy in the jaw, why would a kung fu practitioner, who has NEVER jabbed at his training partner's eye or throat at full power, expect to be able to perform the very same movements he's never trained with such confidence and accuracy? it seems a bit too over-confident, doesn't it? why assume your opponent is an idiot and doesn't know how to fight?

mma has proven that there is no such thing as style anymore... assume your style is complete and has everything, from submissions, strikes, takedowns, groundwork... how does that help? you still have to train... knowledge of techniques does not translate to skill. for every second that you train takedowns, that's one second you're not training strikes... and vice-versa... so how hard will you train? what areas of the fighting game will you cover in your training? are you predominantly a grappler and train grappling, or a striker? how will you train? guys who say, we have groundwork in our system... so what? do you train groundwork? an hour a week is not going to help your groundwork at all... it doesn't matter how "complete" you think your art is... all that matters is how complete your training is. you could have learned a few takedowns and counters... but can you prevent a takedown against randy couture? you might have learned a few good jabs, but are you gonna out strike wanderlei silva?

crazyjoe,

i think your time would be better spent acutally sparring than slamming your hands into sand... you don't want to have horrible arthritis when you're 50 years old do you? sure it makes your hands tough, but does it mean that it's good for you? you're not trying to be a ufc fighter are you? and if you are, you're hands should be taped up anyway while you fight... and if you're toughening your hands to prepare you for all the streetfights you plan on gettin' into, then I would say... please don't fight on the street. you never know if that punk has got a knife...

yenhoi,

as for sanshou defeating muythai, i'm not so sure that it the case... it is sanshou fighters vs muay thai fighters, that is true... but under san shou rules... Thai fighters weren't allowed to elbow or knee to the face... the same team fought in Thailand under MT rules, almost all fights ended with bloody KO's by the Thai team.

Chinese kungfu event organizers have a notorious reputation for needing to save face... you can be sure that if the event is a China vs. Whoever, and it is held in China... there is NO WAY that China is going to lose... under any circumstances... I am not suggesting that they cheat, but the rules are extremely biased. Several years ago, they had Sanshou vs Western Boxing. Boxers did not know how to kick or throw. Sanshou could kick, punch, throw... needless to say, sanshou guys won most of the fights... boxers won 2 fights... i wouldn't call it a very glorious victory

but that's just my own personal opinion...

andrew

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