Favourite Defenses against "ground and pound"?

[NuffSpeed]

What do you feel is the most effective defense and/or counter to someone having some type of mount and throwing dukes and dropping bombs?

[crazyjoe380]

hold on tight and prepare for a long ride...

[NuffSpeed]

That don't sound to effective!

[crazyjoe380]

Shit.. it's hard depending where u are at... if u are in a ring and it's organized then u have a good chance...

a few years back someone caught me by suprise and we went to the ground.. he fell mounted on me..

there was people's feet in the way.. the hard ass floor... i couldn't get him off.. lucky for me .. he was a moron.. he was just swing and punching straight.. with no power.. they just seemed fast.. and i forgot how i got him off..

it all depends.. where he is and what position he is..

[NuffSpeed]

I was at a Larry Hartsell seminar awhile back, and he taught us certain trapping moves in this situation, then flowing to strikes and elbows, and reversing the attackers mount so you have back mount, pretty cool ish!

[Brokenmace]

I've found the most effective way to defend against this attack is to seize one of the attacker's forearms with both hands, lock his arm by sliding one arm up to his elbow. Roll toward his other arm, making him fall to that side. Break his arm. Piss on him. Pay bar tab. Leave.

Have a nice day.

[NuffSpeed]

Hehehe, the last 3 parts sound very effective! Serious though, are you breaking the arm at the forearm/elbow joint while pushing on his bicep?

[Brokenmace]

Well, that's what I get for being brief for once. I wish words could do more with less. That's why I like Chinese/Japanese; you can pack a shyteload into a haiku, did you know?

If he punches with his right, say, then you grab tight with both hands, slide your LEFT arm up to his elbow while holding wrist with your other hand. Roll to your right with a sudden jerk while pulling his arm under down to the ground to your right. When his chest or face smacks the ground, wrench your right arm back sharply as if starting a lawn mower. Do so until you hear a snap, or the arm bends unnaturally.

Stand up. unzip fly. relieve yourself. It's good for the soul. Debasement teaches important life lessons, kiddies.

The other, more troublesome, option is to clamp his right arm to your chest at the elbow, push his right hip with your left hand while pulling your left leg from under him, push off his right hip with your left foot to turn yourself, snake your left leg over the left side of his neck, and arch your back powerfully to snap him into an armbar, with his right thumb pointing up on your chest, your hips pushing to the ceiling.

Of course, you could always bite his arm, but I'm weary of diseases these days.

[Guest]

I still think the BJJ flipping the hips (to get him to place his hands on the floor when he falls forwards), then grabbing the hands and bridging is the way to go, even in a real fight.

I recently attended a class where the person holding the Mount held a striking pad to his chest. The person underneath then struck Shuto (Knife hand.Axe hand) to the pad repeatedly. You could pack quite a wallop, even from your back. So that may be an option, and could at least help set him up for a reversal.

[Brokenmace]

I don't know if size really matters here, but I was in the mount over this guy in class and he was showing me some stuff he learned in BJJ (which they teach at my same school). I was simulating ground 'n pound, and he did that bridge thing. I don't know much about BJJ, only a few moves so far studied in my JKD class to round us out for ground fighting, but he was 150lbs and he was trying to push me off.

I'm 265lbs. I don't know if that should make a difference, but it didn't work for him. I found that instead of having to plant my hands on the ground I could fire at his chest (like walking with your knuckles, sort of). That's something you really don't want me to do to you. I'm no martial god, but that kind of force plowing into your sternum seems bad . . .

You'd figure even a little guy's legs and back would be strong enough, but not this time around. I've seen it fail elsewhere too, in tournaments (Vale Tudo). It's the one move I'm suspecting relies a lot on strength compared to one's attacker.

[crazyjoe380]

HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS MOUNTED ON YOU??

AND BEATING U TO SHIT??

LOL...

I THINK NOT..

I HAVE...

IT'S NOT THAT EASY..

[Brokenmace]

Yes. I have had it happen to me. But it was before I train in the MA. I covered up, and only got hurt on my forearms. No busted teeth. Had I had the idea, it would have been easy to grab his arms, because he was grabbing me by the shirt with one hand, but I was green to the whole idea of hardcore fighting. Someone pulled him off after about fifteen seconds, maybe less.

Proper training makes things easier. Environment makes things harder. Also it depends on how you go down and on what.

I tripped and rolled with it. I didn't bash my head, slip on a wet floor, get punched down, or taken down. Any of these probably would have made things worse. But I didn't get hurt until he whaled on me. Had I been trained, things would have been different.

Don't think that because you couldn't pull something off in one situation it destroys your chances to do it some other time. "I got smacked around once" doesn't make science. And it may not reflect where you are today, anyway.

If people thought like that, the Hoover Damn never would have gotten built, nor would we be posting messages over the net.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
HAVE ANY OF YOU EVEN BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS MOUNTED ON YOU??

AND BEATING U TO SHIT??

LOL...

I THINK NOT..

I HAVE...

IT'S NOT THAT EASY..

Yup. In a real fight too, not training.

Ryu

[Guest]

You'd figure even a little guy's legs and back would be strong enough, but not this time around. I've seen it fail elsewhere too, in tournaments (Vale Tudo). It's the one move I'm suspecting relies a lot on strength compared to one's attacker. [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope. Not at all. No move works every time. This guy obviously just didn't get it right. Admittedly the weight difference is a factor, as it gives less technical margin for error. It's all about timing and postion. And it would be much ahrder if they were poundning away, instead of just grappling. I've shaken big men off with this but, in fairness to you, never one who outweighed me like you outweighed the BJJ guy. But, then again, I have never tried.

[yenhoi]

Striking and trapping and this and that are all good and good when drilled and technical, but an extremly sensitive and explosive upa is good stuff.