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[midnight]

We have young blackbelts at our school but all that that means is they have done the basics and is now ready for proper training. It gives them some thing to aim for as we all know martial arts is a life long commitment and with kids if -any of you actually have kids - you have to inspire and reward or else they get bored and think what the hell I have been doing this for 5 years and what do I get, its easy to generalize and there are MC dojos out there but if a 13/14 year old has been working their but off 2 hours a night 4 nights a week know their stuff very well are you going to say to them hang on you must first be able to beat up 10 guys 2 cows and a dog before I reward you

I dont think 3bb deservers to be atacked by any one here unless you have seen him do his thing in real life.

Sit back and think what MA is all about I dont think 3bb ever said he'll beat anyone up, or is beter in rank or anything like that so cut the guy some slack.

[Einherjar]

I dont think 3bb deservers to be atacked by any one here unless you have seen him do his thing in real life.

As I previously stated, I have nothing against him. But that doesn't change the fact that I still think he doesn't deserve a third dan. After six years of hard training, he should be awarded with a black belt but nothing else.

Sit back and think what MA is all about

Patience and effort basically. And if you have to give away ranks in order to keep kids motivated, you are not doing a good job at all. Then you are teaching them that there's always a reward for laziness ("keep with us long enough and you'll get a black belt because you are a good customer and I need the money").

That's not what martial arts are all about. You have to teach kids that patience is an essential vitue, and that sometimes you just have to keep working with no other goal in yor mind that the pure joy of training. That's the proper way.

Promoting people too soon or giving away ranks tend to devaluate the art. Some years ago, being a black belt really meant something; nowadays it's a joke.

Maybe he is good enough to get a black belt but being a third dan takes MUCH more than a little time and effort.

[Guest]

"Sit back and think what MA is all about "

What Einherjar said. Midnight, I think that YOU need to sit back and think what MA is all about.

[Guest]

I've just been browsing the forum, and found this - "well, i'm starting to get lazy and i'm getting out of shape. i just started getting back into martial arts, its been about a 1 1/2 years since i've trained..."

And guess who this is? Our very own 16 year old 3rd Dan Black Belt. So then, Grass-hopper. Just how old were you when you got this honour bestowed upon you. 14? Or does your club just keep on grading you when you don't even train? As long as you pay the money.......

[midnight]

Hey Bri
All I said cut the guy slack till u have seen what he does. enhjar was grinding the guy. and from your post he might be right I didnt take sides. He is a kid ... so lets not break him down for no reason

[jonhutton]

patience and effort

I just don't believe that the martial arts is just about patience and effort. As a coach I have kids all the time who show up more, ask for more help and work harder than others. Does this siginify that they are better than others or that they should have a better skill level than others? Just showing up and trying hard is not the answer. The bottom line is we are all diff. we all have strengths in some areas and weaknesses in others. I don't feel that it demeans the black belts I have and the length of time it takes to get them if someone else got theirs in a diff. amount of time.
Maybe, just maybe, he is really good or really smart or you really struggled. The paths are all diff. and right in their own way for each of us. My way is not your way, what I need may not be what you need, you understood something quickly and I got it the second or third time. See that this in many ways reflects the journey, some long some short but all individual.

[Einherjar]

I've just been browsing the forum, and found this - "well, i'm starting to get lazy and i'm getting out of shape. i just started getting back into martial arts, its been about a 1 1/2 years since i've trained..."

Well, well, well, well... what do we have here? So the kid is not a third dan black belt but a (censored) liar.

And guess who this is? Our very own 16 year old 3rd Dan Black Belt. So then, Grass-hopper. Just how old were you when you got this honour bestowed upon you. 14? Or does your club just keep on grading you when you don't even train? As long as you pay the money.......

And he even dare to make fun of TKD ("I don't like any bashing of any style except TKD...sorry for my hypocrisy", "haha, TKD is not only bad for you, its bad for everyone that isn't a pre-teen.
") and some classmates (see the original post on this thread). And, of course, he's still proud of his "rank".

Haw haw haw haw haw...

According to his own words:

Hey everyone, this is my first time here. I trained in the art of Sanshinkai for 6 years and reached the rank of 3rd degree black belt (hence my handle). If anyone actually knows what Sanshinkai is, PM me, I'd like to know! Not many people know about it sadly...its a good style. Well, that's all I have to say!

Excerpt from www.sanshinkai.org/sanshinkai_shihan.html:

" Shihan Wehrhahn holds the rank of 6th dan in Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido in the San Shin Kai, 5th dan Okinawan Goju ryu, 4th dan Kobayashi Shorin Ryu and 4th dan Ryukyu Kobudo. Other than the above ranks, Shihan Wehrhahn has in his 30 + years of training studied Kyokushin Kai Karate Do, Moo Do Kwan Tae Kwon Do, Aiki-jujutsu as well as Hakko Ryu Ju Jutsu".

Wow! His Shihan holds a 6th only, dan after 30 years of practice!!! This kid is going to become a Soke soon.

Haw haw haw haw...

[jesse7]

Einjarhar.

You keep saying it should take six years to earn a black belt.

Think about this. Two kids start at the same time one trains the standard 3 nights a week for 2 hours a night.

The other trains 3 days a week 6 hours a night (this is also directed at the person saying the more years you have trained the better at stances/forms you will be etc).

Now you put that into context. The first kid has esentailly trained for 6 years. Where as the second kid has really trained for 18 years.

All Im saying .. is .. if the effort is put in. grades can be earnt faster. Im not defending 3rdBB here either.

[Einherjar]

You keep saying it should take six years to earn a black belt.

Think about this. Two kids start at the same time one trains the standard 3 nights a week for 2 hours a night.

The other trains 3 days a week 6 hours a night (this is also directed at the person saying the more years you have trained the better at stances/forms you will be etc).

Okay, I see your point and I agree with you to some degree. But, no matter how hard you train or how skilled you are, deserving a black belt is much more than mere practice.

Let me put it this way: after 26 years of martial arts training, I guess I do know a thing or two about techniques, timing and proper form. If I joined a TKD school, I have no doubt that I would have no problem mastering all the techniques taught in a relatively very, very short period of time. However, I would be very dissapointed if they gave me a black belt in less than five or six years.

I hope now you see what I mean.

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

Yes, I am a 3rd dan...I quit MA's a year ago, when I was 15...so what's the big deal? I haven't lied about anything...

[jesse7]

Yeh I do. In that context. But why shouldnt your skills already aquired count??? Seems a bit silly to me that even though you have the skills already .. but because you were not taught them in this style they dont count .. but I do agree with you sorta .. though I would exspect it would be up to an instructor to tell you, at what rate you can advance based on his experience, as long as the intructor knows his shit I dont see any problem.

Jess

[jesse7]

Originally posted by 3rdBlackBelt
Yes, I am a 3rd dan...I quit MA's a year ago, when I was 15...so what's the big deal? I haven't lied about anything...

Guys .. your trying way to hard to discredit this guy .. get your facts right before calling someone a liar ... time to let this post go me thinks.

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

Seriously, you guys have taken this WAY too far...it was ok when SZ asked me about it, he was polite and nice. But when you guys sit here and try to make it look like I'm lying about my age, then it pisses me off. Let it go, how does my rank affect you in any way?

And also, were you guys there when I was working my ass off to get my ranks? No, you weren't. Then how can you comment on my credibility?

I think it's seriously time for this thread to get closed, or we can just let it die.

[Einherjar]

But why shouldnt your skills already aquired count??? Seems a bit silly to me that even though you have the skills already .. but because you were not taught them in this style they dont count ..

Everything counts. My acquired skills would help me while sparring and practicing techniques, so I could develop my new abilities faster, but a black belt is supposed to be much more than a skilled practicioner.

Just picture this: I join a TKD and the instructor there, seeing that I already know almost everything he is supposed to teach me, decides that, within a year (time enough to learn al the pumses and polish minor techniques), I will be promoted to black belt. And then, I quit the school and I start teaching TKD.

Don't you think there is something wrong with it?

but I do agree with you sorta

Then I guess I finally made my point.

[jesse7]

Yeh thats true .. although most styles you have a earn/be awarded the right to teach it .. you dont just get it once you get your black belt.

Again it all depends how the intructors weather they think you have enough experience to teach it, also most instructors that are 1st dan (I havnt seen any) or 2nd dan usually still train once a week with someone really advanced so they are learning new stuff all the time to pass onto their students .. its not like they give up training themselves.

Jess