funny stuff

[Einherjar]

Yes, I am a 3rd dan...I quit MA's a year ago, when I was 15...so what's the big deal? I haven't lied about anything...

Let's get a look to the past:

i worked hard for 6 years get to my rank. i didn't go to a "mcdojo" or whatever you guys like to call it, we had to work for it. so dont give me that sarcastic "man oh man" crap.

Now you are 16 years old, right? And you trained for 6 years before you got your 3rd dan. And you quit martial arts when you were 15. Lemme see... 15 - 6 = 9. You were nine when you began practicing martial arts according to your own words.

I got 1st Dan pretty easily, because at my school, its mainly a lot of forms/self defense sets (they're a standardized set for the whole dojo) I think I was 11 when I got it (sounds young, because like I said, 1st Dan at my school wasn't THAT tough.)

If you started at nine and you got your black belt at eleven, that means that it took you two years only.

Now don't think I'm some lazy hyper-active kid who jumps around and has no discipline. I was actually good. I spent at least 6 hours at the dojo every night from ages 8 - 13. I LOVED MA's and I still do. I taught 16+ year olds when I was 12 and 13, because I was good, and had the discipline to run classes.

Hey, wait a minute! In this paragraph you state that before you even started martial arts (here you say 8 years old when you started at nine. It's your own words, remember?) you were spending 6 hours a day at the training hall.

Hmmm... 8 does not equal 9, so that doesn't ring true to me. Either you lied when you said you began at nine or you lied when you stated that you were practicing hard a year before. Whatever option you choose the result remains the same: a lie it's a lie.

Don't waste your time, kid. Nobody here is going to believe a word you say from now on. I'm pretty sure you have a paper that says you are whetever rank the instructor and you agreed upon. End of the story.

[jesse7]

I still believe him .. you are twisting at all sorts of crap.

Lets see .. say you just turned 10 and you train for 2 years 10 months .. you would still only be twelve years old but essentially you have trained for 3 years. This is quite clear to me that this is what he means. Also when he says he quit MA when he was 15 .. whos to say he was not 15 years old and 10 months .. And Vica versa.

drop it Ein.

Jess

[Suzuki_Fanboy]

Holy crap dude, I made a minor 1-year mistake, that doesn't ruin my credibility. I'm sick of you and your smart ass antics. I give up trying to convince you of anything. None of this crap has anything to do with you anyways, it started out between me and SZ. SZ acted mature about it, and you haven't. So why don't you mind your own business and let it all go. The only things you can find against are these minor, bullshit things, like "you said you were 9, but you also said you were 8! HAHA! Therefore you are a lying sack of shit! Nobody believes you!"

Stop acting like a little kid. I know you're going to come back and say something like "no, you're the little kid" or what not, but at least I've been ACTING mature. So seriously, just drop it.

[Einherjar]

I still believe him .. you are twisting at all sorts of crap.

I do believe that he has a paper which says he is a third dan black belt. Owning a paper does qualify you as a third dan black belt. It only means you were unfortunate enough to find an instructor who worries too much about losing lazy students or who needs the money bad.

I don't believe he trained six hours a day at eight, nine or whatever his age was (only pro-athletes train that much in their preteens) and then, he suddenly quit martial arts. I don't buy any of this crap.

I don't believe that, after six years of hard training (yeah, right...) he is a third dan black belt, because a Shihan of his style only holds a fourth dan black belt. That's nonsense!

I don't think he is a bad kid. I guess he likes too much to look cool and impressive in front of everyone so he made everything up.

[Einherjar]

Holy crap dude, I made a minor 1-year mistake, that doesn't ruin my credibility.

True. You can't ruin something you don't have in the first place.

I'm sick of you and your smart ass antics.

Good. I'm sick of your pretty boy cryings and your lies. I suppose we are even then.

[Guest]

I don't know. People could try to use logic to argue that a dog is really a cat....... But it would still be nonsense.

Starting at 9, and then a Black Belt, and a 3rd Dan at that at 15? AND THEN GIVING UP! Come on guys. No offence to young Master 3rd Dan Black Belt, but his instructor should be strunbg up by the cojones.

What next? Black Nappies?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Actually, in my investigation, I came across 3BB's home dojo
and looked up his instructors credentials
here


Rob Olevsky

9th Degree Black Belt, Sanshinkai Karate
6th Degree Black Belt, Sanshinkai Jujitsu
2nd Degree Black Belt, Kodokan Judo
1st Degree Black Belt, Japanese Kendo
Inducted into the Karate Hall of Fame
in 1998 and 2001

From my experience and what I have seen, someone can create their very own martial art and BAM, they are the grandmaster 10th dan.

I'm fairly certain that neither Bri Thai nor CrazyJoe are blackbelts. I don't think that most of the BJJ players on this board are higher than bluebelt. But when it comes right down to it, I'd have to wager on my boys here against well over half the 'legit' black belts in the world.

3BB didn't make up his rank. He didn't appoint himself the grandmaster, and he didn't come on board here talking shit. He has done nothing to earn any disrespect. Attacks directed against him personally are way out of bounds in my opinion.

I have stated that I don't agree with giving kids black belts. But, some schools do and a lot of those schools are members of organized federations and associations.

Age is not a valid factor for one's ability to perform certain functions. Having a black belt is pretty much worth the paper your certificate is printed on as there does not exist a centralized source for requirements to reach the coveted 1st Dan status.

As I pointed out in my early posts, if you go around telling people you're a black belt, a karate master, or a jiu-jitsu stud, you're going to have to back it up constantly. This thread is a shining example!

Some black belts don't deserve their rank, some systems don't deserve to use the terms 'self defense training' and 3BB doesn't deserve to get thrashed through the forum because someone else promoted him.


But I'm sure he'll be more careful in the future before he volunteers this kind of information again.

SZ

[Szczepankiewicz]

As far as the claim that none shall believe him because he stated 8 instead of 9, would you like me comb all your posts and point out every typo, grammatical error, and logical contradiction?

I'd have to call bullshit on that entire line of reasoning. I don't want some anal retentive forum junkie calling question to every line I post, especially when I'm not out to convince someone of anything except to leave me alone.

Einherjar has illustrated some valid arguments. However, the ad hominem attacks are unnecessary in my opinion. Save that stuff for the real trolls. Trust me man, there will be plenty of people coming on here looking for a fight!


Thanks,

SZ

[midnight]

I bow my head to SZ what a powerfull statement.

[Einherjar]

Starting at 9, and then a Black Belt, and a 3rd Dan at that at 15? AND THEN GIVING UP! Come on guys. No offence to young Master 3rd Dan Black Belt, but his instructor should be strunbg up by the cojones.

My point exactly. Your spanish knowledge is very good, by the way. XD

What next? Black Nappies?

Don't be politically incorrect, Bri Thai. "Black" is not a polite term, you should say afro-american nappies instead. XDDD

[Einherjar]

As far as the claim that none shall believe him because he stated 8 instead of 9, would you like me comb all your posts and point out every typo, grammatical error, and logical contradiction?

I dare you to do it, I'm pretty sure you won't find any contradiction. And, since English is not my native language and I still can make my posts readable, I don't really care about corrections (I guess I'm doing a good job). Had you corrected my grammatical errors I would be very grateful indeed.

Anyway, I don't care whether it was a typo or not, he's still lying his ass off. Nobody trains six hours a day during his preteens, unless he is a pro-athlete. And, above all, nobody training that hard quits so suddenly.

There might be a chance (a very weak one), however, that he is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I doubt it, though.

That does not change the fact that his rank was obviously given away to him whether he knew it or not. That's my opinion and I'm not going to change my mind on this.

Einherjar has illustrated some valid arguments.

Glad to see we finally agree.

[Szczepankiewicz]

No, sir, we do not agree.

Simply because an argument is valid does not guarantee that it is true.

If you would like I will monitor what posts I can and point out any inconsistencies I may find. It is a very efficient use of your time and mine to follow this path, to be certain.

What do I care if English is your native language or not? Is this meant to be a preconditional statement to excuse any mistakes you may have committed or may commit in the future?

You stated that you have been training martial arts for 26 years? I find your level of respect demonstrated towards your fellow artists to be a glaring contradiction.

It is possible to vehemently argue a point without resorting to attacking the other forum members.

So, in closing, I double dog dare you, doo doo head!

Sz

[Einherjar]

No, sir, we do not agree.

Simply because an argument is valid does not guarantee that it is true.

And simply because you freely choose not to believe my argument, that does not mean that I'm necessarily wrong.

If you would like I will monitor what posts I can and point out any inconsistencies I may find. It is a very efficient use of your time and mine to follow this path, to be certain.

Do as you please. I'm pretty sure you won't find any inconsistency in my statements. You may agree or disagree, you may disaprove my manners or whatever, but you are not going to find logical contradictions

What do I care if English is your native language or not? Is this meant to be a preconditional statement to excuse any mistakes you may have committed or may commit in the future?

As long as they are just grammatical mistakes, I guess it is a damn good excuse. Anyway, I'm afraid you won't find many.

You stated that you have been training martial arts for 26 years? I find your level of respect demonstrated towards your fellow artists to be a glaring contradiction.

I do tend to distinguish between a fake and true practicioner. The former makes me sick, the latter gets all my respect. You know, respect is something to be earned and not given away.

You will never see me trashing TKD (as the kid did), but some TKD practioners. You will never see me telling people my art is superior to theirs. I will show respect whenever I consider it has been earned.

[Guest]

All this "he said she said" stuff is irrelevant anyway. A 15 year old 3rd Dan (he gave up 18 months ago, remember) is not a viable proposition in a true art. McDojo's of the World Unite. You have nothing to lose but your credibility.

By the way, I do not hold a Black Belt myself. But I would confidently take on just about any Black Belt that I have ever seen in all kinds of Karate and Kung Fu type styles. But not Judo and BJJ. They have kept their credibility. And one of the ways they have done this is to test students proiperly, and not give ANY kids a black belt. Especially not a 3rd Dan.

The whole thing is too ridiculous for words.

He's just a kid. And he even "gave up" for 18 months. That was a whole tenth of his life time! No offence to him, but if you accept him as a 3rd Dan you throw the credibility of the Martial Arts into the waste paper bin.

[chalambok]

children with advanced ranking

Actually, who am I to tell an instructor how old a student should be before he is promoted? When I trained at the Buddhai Sawan many of my instructors were decades younger than I. Also note than when Master Chai came to America to start the evolution of muay Thai he was only 19, and was given carte blanche by the powers that be in Thai Boxing at that time. How did he do?