Tyson are you chicken?

[Robbie]

Originally posted by Shimora
Tyson bit Holyfield because Holyfield had cheated by using an illegal Head Butt earlier in the fight.
Tyson was concerned that the fight might get stopped due to the cut from the headbutt. He figured he would give Holyfield something to remember him by.
Its fine to label him a coward but anyone who watched Tyson after he bit Holyfield should have seen the look in Tysons eyes. If that fight had gone one more round I believe Tyson was going to tear Holyfield apart. There was no fear in his eyes as he beckoned Holyfield towards him.

Tyson was a street fighter also. You think he's never wrestled or been to the ground? What about that Mitch Green guy that he had a street fight with. He busted Greens face up so bad his mother wouldnt recognise him. I do not agree that Tyson is a one dimensional "Boxer" that would go down the minute someone attacked him in a style he was not used to.

Oh give me a break,Like tyson has never Head butted or used elbows in a fight,he can dish it out but when somebodys returns the favor he turns into a little crybaby bitch.

[Robbie]

BTW Tyson wouldn't have done anything to Holyfield,none of Tysons punches were really even hurting Evander.

[Jimmy23]

I would remind everyone that Tyson has lost only 3 fights,two to the same man.A boxer,especially one at that level,needs about an inch of room to throw a hellacious blow,one that would stun most fighters.I doubt that most of the naysayers have ever boxed,and have very little understanding of boxing.When Tyson fought Mitch Green in a streetfight,it took one punch to disfigure Green and end the fight.As much as I love NHB,lets face it,there is a serious lack of good punching there.

[Shimora]

Actually Tyson was ahead on points until he bit him.

Try to read what I said properly next time. I wasnt arguing the etics of head butting, I was saying that is the reason Tyson gave for doing it. It made pretty good sense to when you looked at the cut he had received.

As for your hero Holyfield, he is one of the dirtiest fighters I have ever witnessed. Born again Christian my ass.

[StrongerThanDeath]

for once I agree with Joe Manco.....

[Ryu (non-working password]

Who cares, guys?

Geez, obviously a huge man with immensely powerful punches could destroy someone who couldn't take a hit. That's not rocket science. I'm not taking any sides, but I will say that my father was a golden gloves champ for years, and when we used to spar it was an intimidating scene to try and shoot or clinch with him. I could do it, but occasionally I'd get hit, and he was being "nice"
I also used to practice my clinching with a friend when I was younger, and we used to put on 4-6 ounce gloves and just try to literally nail each other when the other came in. I took him to the ground a lot, but busted my nose and lips occasionally too. You will get hit when you fight. THAT is just as "real world" as "90% of fights go to the ground". You'll get hit whether you take them there or not.
So if those shots are from someone who is unearthly powerful then obviously it means trouble. Nobody is superman. HOWEVER, a lot of the times it's hard to land a good enough blow to drop a guy when you are grappling on your feet. Not saying it can't be done, but if you have a semi-tough chin it is much harder.

So all in all, yes Tyson can seriously hurt Royce if he can hit him, (and Royce gets hit) But that doesn't mean that Tyson is the ultimate fighter and wrestlers have been putting on a charade. It also doesn't mean Tyson would beat Royce. I can see either one winning, and to be honest wouldn't be surprised if either one did win.

I had a challenge match with a big guy who claimed he was cool in Muay Thai, etc. had spiked hair that was dyed blonde, etc. And he was a powerful guy (nothing like Tyson I'm sure) But when I shot in on him, he nicked me in my head with his bare fist. It missed (thank God) but I ended up taking him down at will. So regardless how much potential someone has for hurting you, mistakes happen.
(luckily for me it was in my favor)

Ryu

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Maybe I should dye my spikes blond too then?

[Ryu (non-working password]

YeLLA,
After seeing many kogals in Japan I can only say this....

PLEASE DO NOT DYE YOUR HAIR BLONDE!


(actually some can pull off the look...but not many in my opinion haha)
Ryu

[Ronin]

Here we go again!

Shimora, I was referring to your post as a "troll", not yourself, my shadowy friend. Obviously, I was correct, as this thread has snow-balled. Nice use of the Tyson, "hand grenade".

I didn't say that anti-grappling techniques are hard to learn, but the fact remains that it is difficult for a non-grappler to keep on his feet against an experienced grappler. Anyone remember Renzo vs. Mo? It may be hard, because the fight was so brief. Mo, with all his anti-grappling experience, couldn't stop the 15-second takedown/submission.

Granted, Renzo is much better at takedowns than Royce, but Mo is much better at sprawling than Tyson, even with 6 months of training.

I respect Tyson's power, and the fact that he is a fan of MMA, but I would have to see him in the cage before I am convinced he could beat any top grappler, including the still-great Royce Gracie. Man, Royce loses one 90-minute epic, and suddenly he's a chump.

BTW, I agree that Royce couldn't take ANY punishment and still win. He would have to get the quick takedown and work from there. No stand-ups!

[Jimmy23]

No,Royce isnt a chump,hes a great fighter,but I think Iron Mike would land at least one shot,and thats all it would take.Just my opinion.

[L3FTH00K]

It never fails, just bring up Mike Tyson and everyone has an opinion. Now I know why Mike gets paid the big bucks in boxing

[Jimmy23]

Lefty,I think that Tyson is a once in alifetime boxer,a rare combination of genetics,attitude and early training.He was an awesome fighter,and is still a great fighter.Sadly Ill stil pay to see Tyson fight a decent fighter,just because of these factors.

[mild7]

.

Royce:
pros - superior ground game

cons - poor takedown ability
- poor(relatively) chin
- poor standup game
- poor(relatively) athlete

Tyson:
pros - superior standup game
- knockout punches(possibly the hardest in the world)
- good athlete
- combat instict

cons - poor ground game

The verdict: Tyson by quick brutal KO if the fights goes standing.
Royce by D/Q(ear bitten off) if the fight goes to the ground.

[Joe Manco]

Originally posted by Robbie
BTW Tyson wouldn't have done anything to Holyfield,none of Tysons punches were really even hurting Evander.

FOOL! Have you any idea how much bigger, stronger, and tougher Holyfield is than Royce?



Ryu:
You clown. Who cares that some Muay Thai guy and you sparred. The very usage of legs makes someone easier to take down, and the guy was no Tyson. Who in the hell said Tyson was the "Ultimate Fighter?" We said he would KO the puny, starvling Royce. Like I told you before, stop inventing things and talking to "yourself," and stick to the things people HERE are actually saying.

Ronin:
Go hold Tony's hand and jump off that building with him. You BOZO! Comparing Tyson x Royce to Mo x Renzo proves you to be a Lamer. Go see the definition here.

Have you ever heard of CENTER OF GRAVITY?!!? Renzo is a midget with a LOW center of gravity, Mo is tall with a HIGH center of gravity. This makes it EASY for Renzo to take down the stickman, you klutz. Royce is tall with a high center of gravity, Tyson is compact, tree-trunk-legged, with a LOW center of gravity. This would make it HARD for Royce to get Tyson down.

I hereby REVOKE your license to ever evaluate another matchup again. You are too totally clueless ever to be given a second chance.

As such, Mo would NOT be better at sprawling than Tyson. He has no speed, nor any base. He is a gangly, STRAIGHT-punching flunky whom Tyson would knock into the next century. Hell, the sorry mofo got KO'd by David Bey. He couldn't even hang with Tank in stand-up, and had to wait till he got tired to be able to handle him. >Shaking my head at how LAME you people are in analysis<

You can't punch straight at a man in MMA. Tyson's SHORT hooks and uppercuts, combined with his incredible speed and power make him PERFECT for punching in MMA. Hell he's like a super-charged Igor V. Same build, 10x better & faster puncher.

Finally, you're just like Ryu. Who said Tyson could beat the best grapplers? We're talking about ROYCE, and the central issue is for "any" grappler to beat Tyson, the very crux of whether it is yeay or nay, centers around TAKEDOWNS and the ability to KEEP a man down ... the weakest part of Royce's inventory.

ALL OF YOU ... go jump off a building.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Tony10]

Manco:

For God's sake man--ruined in your eyes with one post! The horror.

RE: "Lucky punch"--world champion boxer or not, you're telling me that with his boxing-only skills, he'll be definitively able to defend the shoot and takedown by KO'ing Royce--for SURE? Puh-leeze.

Yeah, if Royce misses the takedown (a la the Hackney fight) and Tyson gets some shots off, it will probably be over right then and there. But since when is Tyson trained to defend against the shoot/clinch/takedown? I'm sayin' that's a small window of opportunity...

If Royce gets him off his feet... end of story. Tyson will be squealing away as Royce sends him to take a little nappy:

How dare you diswespect my world kwass boxing skills! get off me! get off me! i alweady went thwoo dis in pwison! I'm going to kwush you with my.... zzzzzzzz...."

Where's the big argument here?

xxoo tony