Tyson are you chicken?

[Joe Manco]

LMFAO!!!

Tony, your Bugs Bunny routine was good, but you a$$ume Tyson "couldn't" get back up if he went down.

With no gi, and with some anti-grappling training, Tyson would be very hard for Royce to *keep* down, even if he got him down.

Plus, even *while* down Tyson's blows to the ribs from within Royce's guard would be like getting full kicks from the nearby ref. Simply put, Royce would get pummeled with more power than he could stand up (or lie down) to ... from what ever range they were in.

Now get busy jumping.

Your truly,

Joe

[Tony10]

Hell, Manco:

You didn't say that in this scenario Tyson had some grappling training.

That's a whole different story then. You might as well bring Royce in on a serving plate with an apple up his ass...

[Ronin]

Tony:

Manco is off his meds again.

Joe:

I'd rather judge Mo on his existing anti-grappling ability than Tyson's hypothetical anti-grappling. There is a difference between reality and your hypothetical constructs, you know. Yes, Tyson has an ideal build for MMA, but we won't know if he can anti-grapple until he tries it, and he probably won't.

Bottom-line: if he can't learn to defend takedowns, he's cannon fodder in MMA. I'm skeptical that he can learn.

I will jump off a building only if you promise to be waiting at the bottom to break my fall.

[Joe Manco]

I did too say w/ anti-grappling training ... you just need a refund for that Evelyn Wood class that apparently didn't work ...

LOL at our therefore agreed-upon conclusion

Yours truly,

Joe

PS: Ronin, haven't you jumped yet? The idea that a man "can't learn" re-deposits you back into the Lamer category. Please revisit. Yours truly, Joe.

[Ronin]

Joe:

Man, you're on par with Shimora today.

I didn't say he "can't learn" you knucklehead, but I question whether he can learn ENOUGH to be effective in a short amount of time. Obviously if he devoted his entire life to learning to sprawl he would be a force to be reckoned with.

Did you share a jail cell with this guy, or something?

[Ryu (non-working password]

Joe, I only included that story so I could show you up in the area of taking on bigger guys. If you are KO'ing people in the clinch then you are fighting stick men!
LOL

Haha in all seriousness I agree with you too, dog-boy. Royce is not the genetic athelete Tyson is and for that reason alone I would be worried that Mike could send him into orbit. All I was saying is that if you make a mistake with Royce or miss him and let him get a hold of you, things might take a different route. Royce stuck to Kimo like glue in their fight, and managed to get him on the ground. I'm not comparing the two, but there are definately ways Tyson could be on the losing end there as well. Though I agree about Tyson's power, and the damage he could do. Especially if he was trained to keep Royce on his feet for only a couple minutes.


Take care,
Ryu

[Zeke]

With Tyson's strength, conditioning, and that neck, it would be hard to keep him on the ground. I don't know whether I believe it or not, but the corrections center guard who found Tyson and started him boxing at 13-14 claims that Tyson bench pressed 275 x 10 at that young age, without any previous experience lifting weights. There may be somebody who can beat Tyson, but if I was offered the chance to fight anyone else I can think of ,or Tyson, my choice would be the other guy.

[david a]

Everytime I think of a Tyson/Royce fight, I quickly have
visions of a kimo/Royce fight except that there is no hair to grab on to, no running out of gas, punches are not flailing away at will but are pin-point accurate, and much,much more power......

Remember when Shamrock clocked Royce? Royce wouldn't even know what a guard is after Tyson hit him.

[PunchDrunk]

Royce took Ken Shamrock's best punch. And if you guys think Tyson hits harder than Shammy, you obviously don't watch professinal wrestling.

Royce would walk through Tyson, then put him to sleep. Period.

[Joe Manco]

LMAO, either that was a pathetic troll or Punchy is a Lamer.

Yours truly,

Joe

[Biz]

How do you all asume that even if Royce get's Tyson to the ground it is over?

Tyson has got to be about twice as strong as Royce. If it goes to the ground you think Tyson is just going to lie there? Hell no! That crazy bastard will be swinging for dear life! Tyson, even though he's crazy, can be pretty smart when he want's to be. Tyson knows that Royce's only chance in this lifetime is to apply a submission. Knowing this, when/if the fight ever hit the ground, you can bet Tyson will turn it up a notch.

I can see it now.

Royce over Tyson, Tyson gives one good shot to the ribs. Royce can't break, another shot. Royce is dead.

Haha, it could happen. Then again, sure, there's a chance Royce can get a submission, even if he does, I think Tyson would power his way out of it...

[Ronin]

Biz:

Tyson's going to "power out of" one of Royce's submissions?

That's about as logical as Royce "taking" one of Tyson's punches.

People are SO biased in favor of their own style!


Here's a breakdown:

If Tyson defends Royce's takedowns and lands a solid punch/combination, it's over.

If Royce gets to a dominant position on the ground, it's over. It may take a while, but eventually he will finish Tyson.

The only question is: how long would it take for Tyson to learn to anti-grapple successfully? Not just how to perform a sprawl or whatever, but how to stop the takedowns of a guy who has grappled his entire life? Royce's takedown skills may be rudimentary by the standards of wrestlers and judoka, but they are light-years beyond what Tyson knows.

Tyson would have to learn well, and learn fast, to stand any chance in MMA, with ANY decent grappler. His best bet would be to train with Vovchanchin, Frank Shamrock, or the Ruas Vale Tudo guys.

If he trained a minimum of ONE YEAR with those guys, six times a week, THEN he would probably beat Royce.

He's 34. Better get going.

[Tony10]

With regard to the idea that because he's stronger, he'll "get out" from under Royce...

I don't know if you practice BJJ, but unless there's a huge weight difference, that's not gonna happen. I've had guys 30-40 pounds lighter and definitely weaker just whup my ass.
Your strength is not going to help you.

All that aside, I like the Kimo-without-hair analogy. That could well happen.

However, I will point out that obviously Royce and Rorion aren't at all intimidated by Tyson, because they've been issuing this challenge for years.

I'd rather see this than shell out $50 to see Golota run away from him out of the ring...

[Beatle]

Originally posted by Ryu (non-working password

Royce stuck to Kimo like glue in their fight, and managed to get him on the ground

Yes, he did, with Kimo mounted. If Kimo had known how to maintain the mount Royce would have been toast. Pure naivety helped Royce win.

[Zeke]

Royce and Rorion make the challenge because they can make more money fighting Tyson than fighting anyone else. Anyone would fight Tyson for 5 million or more. If you live you're financially set.