(( Hand Throws ))

[chris davis 200]

One good thing, we did a LOT of sparring, like every night, which I don't think was "traditional" at all or maybe it is I don't know.

I dont quite understand why people dont think that sparring is traditional?? This is real strange - I dont know a traditional art that does not spar in some way.

Traditionally MA's where used in real life in LIFE or DEATH situations, there were not the laws that there are now so in a combat situation you could kill someone LEGALLY with your techniques! The only way for these fighters to become proficient is for them to fight in challanges etc with other MA's and schools around their country. To prepare for this they would spar with single and multiple attackers. In REAL traditional arts sparring is still quite prolific. Not the modern put on some pads and tap each other (as many do) but no pads, random attacks, full on fighting!

Anyways, just my 2 peneth worth.

cheers
Chris

[hjohnson]

"Accidental, if not incidental (or is it incidental if not accidental?). In other words if they happen, great! But don't go out looking for them."

Yeah, that's been my exeprience with most locks/throws/ standup submission techniques. It's hit, hit, hit... then "wow, look what we have here" (which is NOT how we trained it in Hapkido, at least from my experience, it was much more static).

I think, unless you are REALLY good, it's very difficult to pull off a lock or joint throw, etc. like what we're talking about without softening the guy up first. You have to affect other targets first (create pain, distraction, take their balance, etc.) to get the hold because if you just go for the pass under arm throw or the reverse elbow lock throw or whatever, you're VERY vunerable while trying to put it on. Maybe someone who's a master can do it, but not me.