Knife Grips

[DeSoLaToR]

hey wat r all the knife fighting grips ???
any sites that a could have a read of etc..

[ryanhall]

Desolator,
You name it, it's a knife grip. Saber, hammer, ice pick, etc. The most popular are probably the ice pick and hammer grips. Ice pick being the most common for criminal use--grab and stab.

[Groin Grab]

Don't listen two what any one says. There are only two grips for holding a knife Reverse Grip and Saber Grip thats it. You want to hold the knife with all four fingers and you're thumb. If you reallyl want to know how to improve you're grip go talk to a good batting coach for base ball. Nobody knows how to grip and object like a good hitter can grip a bat. That's it any one who tries to teach you forty different grips with all their variations for drawing the blade ect, ect, is full of crap.

[DeSoLaToR]

yep coolies, i've being training lately with meh Saber grip, doing drills on the twelve angels of knife attack etc.. just wanted to know what other grips can be used, thanks guys

[ryanhall]

Don't listen two what any one says. There are only two grips for holding a knife Reverse Grip and Saber Grip thats it

I didn't say that all grips were functional. I was just naming a few. For the record, I am a baseball player, and i prefer the saber grip. However, you don't hold a bat with a saber grip, so the point is irrelevant. Also, your ability should not depend on a grip. If you need to draw your weapon in a flash, you will have to use it with whatever grip you have on it.

Ryan

[aseepish]

Don't forget about unconventional knives - push knives and the like. The kerambit (tiger claw knife) that some silat styles use can flip out and be used from the sabre or ice-pick position.

[Airyu]

Hello ,

This thread always appears in various forms. Knife grips are always subject to controversy. Anyway, in Sayoc Kali we utilize 12 basic gripping techniques, go to www.Sayoc.com for a detailed list.

Gumagalang

Guro Steve L-Kayan Dalawa Guro Sayoc Kali-

[ryanhall]

Don't forget about unconventional knives - push knives and the like

Push daggers are friggin awesome. Hey Guro Steve, do you know of any way to deal with a push/punch dagger from an empty handed perspective? It's the most dangerous knife I know of, and the only defense I would use is running. Any ideas?


Ryan

[aseepish]

That's a great site!

I think running from a push dagger would be my response too.

T.

[Groin Grab]

--- "However, you don't hold your bat with a saber grip so the point is irrelevant."

What you hold your baseball bat upside down.

I've played basedball since I was 6 plus a year in Jr. college and I hold my knife the exact same way I hold a bat (except with one hand). Why because of impact man! When you grip a bat for a 70+ mile an hour fast ball you know you've got to hold that thing tight or else you're not going to connect well. It's the same thing with a knive you get into a fight there is going to be impact man espacally if some guy is trying kill you or cut your weapon hand. Ok say you do dig into a guy with your blade, sorry but human bone, intestine and stomach doesn't exactly cut like paper better grip up on that blade. When was the last time you cut a stake? Chances are you had to grip up on that knife to make the cut and that thing isn't even fighting back.

It doesn't really matter though because training with knives is about as usless as training with a three sectional staff.

You should go back to playing Dungons and Dragons because that's the fantasy world you're living in if you think you're going to be quick drawing blades and dueling with other guys who have already pulled knives, guns, or whatever.

[ryanhall]

My understanding of the saber grip may be different than yours. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the saber grip involves putting the thumb on the handle rather than around it. The only right way to hold a baseball bat is in the fingers with the thumb wrapped. Is this the saber grip? Junior college and 70 mph, huh? Try playing real college ball and having 90+ coming at you.

It doesn't really matter though because training with knives is about as usless as training with a three sectional staff.

Wrong. But unless you practice speed drawing all the time, it's useless. As you say, you won't be able to get to your weapon in time any other way. Still, even weapon matches almost never happen. It's usually bat v knife, knife b gun, knife v empty hand, etc.

You should go back to playing Dungons and Dragons because that's the fantasy world you're living in if you think you're going to be quick drawing blades and dueling with other guys who have already pulled knives, guns, or whatever.

Ah, the ad hominem attack. Go back to junior college.

[aseepish]

Originally posted by Groin Grab
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It doesn't really matter though because training with knives is about as usless as training with a three sectional staff.

Training with knives has benefits that extend beyond the knife itself. Try a round of knife to knife sparring and see what happens to your footwork.

As far as cutting meat is concerned, a slash has NOTHING to do with sitting at your dinner table trying to saw through gristle. Regardless of grip, a sharp knife is going to cut through to the bone, and probably beyond. Hang a roast from the ceiling and try for yourself.

T.

[DeSoLaToR]

thats why ur ment to have ur wrists and the back of ur hand facing a knife fighter, because if ur gonna get slashed which u probly will, u dont want them cuting through ur Artery(i didnt spell that right i think)

[Airyu]

Hello,

In regards to the "push dagger", it is an awesome weapon. Especially since it is in between you fingers and becomes very difficult to see. But, if you are dealing with an empty handed opponent, you must assume he is armed. This way there is no difference in the tactics you will use in armed vs unarmed countering. It becomes difficult to explain "technique" in words, but one method to start with would be the cross parry method. Utilize a regular training blade, and then switch to the push dagger and see how you fair.

I hope this helps.

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L.-Kayan Dalawa Guro Sayoc Kali-

https://www.Bujinkandojo.net

ps: Many barfights end with one person(or more) looking down and saying "I'm bleeding" not realizing that the punching taking place was actually a stab or slash.

[Groin Grab]

I should of better clarified myself. When I refer to saber grip my defitiion was point of the knife up all four fingers and thumb wrapped around the handle and reverse grip point of the knife down all four fingers and thumb wrapped around the handle.

Training with knives has benefits that extend beyond the knife itself. Try a round of knife to knife sparring and see what happens to your footwork.

No way, it will make you're foot work worst. Because first you will start to fight like a point fighter instead of a full contact fighter and two nearly every knife fight doesn't happen in a duel situation but a clinch situation or something close two it.

Regardless of grip, a sharp knife is going to cut through to the bone, and probably beyond. Hang a roast from the ceiling and try for yourself.

No way, if you think your sharp knife is going to be cutting through skin muscle and bone you are dreaming. Come on man get back to reality. You're intestines alone are like thick rubber hoses man and the entire human torso is surrounded with ribs even if you get a good deep clean cut you will still have to deal with impact and pulling the blade out isn't always as easy as you think.

Many barfights end with one person(or more) looking down and saying "I'm bleeding" not realizing that the punching taking place was actually a stab or slash.

Exactly this is why weapons training is a waste of time. What can you do. Catch, Trap or pass the weapon or weapon bearing limb and then go for a disarm? It's all in a dream world that this stuff works. Any one who has been in a knife fight and pulled one of those techniques off had been very lucky.