martial arts for cristians

[EmptyneSs]

Interesting... it's good that you have an idea of god and I meant to add to my post a bit of the Bible teaching that confirms they are seperate and not the same person. John 17:3 should do...But if not would it make ANY sense at all that Jesus would pray to HIMSELF and call himself the son of God and then in prayer address himself as the Father also? Not to me...

Again the doctrine (catholic) that supports this also calls the wife of Jopseph the mother of god and virgin Mary even though Jesus had (half) brothers from the same mother....


Go figure?

Mt.6:9-10

The christian teaching that is supported by the Bible is that sin came into the world through the MAN Adam (and death from sin) so the sacrafice that would be of equal value to the man is another (perfect) man, not almighty God himself in the form of a man... but the ransom God paid for MANKIND was His "only begotten" son (Jesus Christ) The sacrafice was the son of God. (Just as Adam was God's son)

Romans 5:12-18 Gen. 3:17 Mt. 20:28


Adonijah....

the muslim koran also has an interesting claim about associating Jesus with God.

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Isa, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

[SamuraiGuy]

Glenfiddich is shite. Invest in a bottle of 15 year-old Macallan or Dalwhinnie, and you'll never drink Glenfiddich again. If you're more adventurous, Islay malts are where it's at. Laphroaig, Ardbeg, or Bowmore. Laphroaig is my fave of the three. Glenkinchie is worth a try (Lowland), as is Scapa from the Orkneys, Oban (West Highland), and Talisker (Isle of Skye).

Happy drinking!

^^^ Kill yourself.

And Garland, if your afraid of the big bad scotch its okay, maybe when your balls drop youll learn to appreciate it.

[Tom Yum]

Gentleman Jack? GENTLEMAN?!!
P.S. scotch tastes like hobo asshole, if the hobo's been drinkin' rubbing alchohol and charcoal. take my word on that.

O.k........next!

[Tom Yum]

proof one not need be a christian to "follow the Good book" ....funny though the "bad books" have a higher subscription rate...just ask hugh heffner

Following the Book is part of being a Christian or being Christ-like.

Hugh Heffner....lol, he's got his own religion.

[Tant01]

Just as we are one...

Again the doctrine (catholic) that supports this also calls the wife of Jopseph the "mother" of god and "virgin" Mary even though Jesus had (half) brothers from the same mother....


Go figure?


Adonijah....

Tom Yum... Let me ask you a question about the nature of your god.

If Jusus is god in the flesh as you assert and I know of the scripture that christians use to support this claim the supporting text also says that Jesus' followers are also "one" so does that make the apostles god also? John 17:20-23



The doctrine of the duality of god and Jesus is flawed, it is a false teaching.



John 4:23,24 worship in truth...

[Sagacious Lu]

The books are called that because the shrooms are called the flesh of the gods...others call it the voice....Billings called them the little clowns because the voice will entertain you as it shows you the wiring underneath the boardwalk so to speak....if you didnt follow then ya aint a traveler its a play on words, when you drop mushrooms you trip...only you never actually leave the farm yet your awareness spreads into many different areas...hence we travel if you have ever dropped you know why they are called the flesh of the gods...all the shamanic traditions are enlightening experiences...a good trip guide is important though it isnt about recreational use...

Well, if I saw the Merry Pranksters rolling my way I'd stick out my thumb to hitch a ride, but I live in Georgia and I'm pretty sure I could get burned at the stake for talking this way. There's a lot of ...er... religeous intolerance when it comes to non-mainstream ideas around here.

Its a close shave. But at the end of the day, you believe in God or you believe in other dieties....



Alot of people probably think the same things you do. If you're not anti-Bible, check out the book of Proverbs. I'm going to talk about other stuff now as this kind of conversation tends to stirr people up.

Don't worry too much about offending me, I respect everyone's beliefs. I think all religeons have things that I can learn from. In fact, I think that they are all (if practiced sincerely and diligently) completely valid paths to the divine. We repeat over and over that it's the man who makes the martial art rather than the art that makes the man and personally I think religeon is the same way. It's not a one size fits all deal. In other words what works for me might not work for someone else.

If you're more adventurous, Islay malts are where it's at. Laphroaig, Ardbeg, or Bowmore. Laphroaig is my fave of the three.

Now here's a guy who understands good whiskey. I love the heavy peat flavor in Laphroaig.

[J-Luck]

Ok, there seem to be a few questionable posts here I'd like to adress, but I think there are too many so I'll try to cover them broadly. First off, sweeping generalizations make only the user of them look ignorant, not the group targeted by them.

Whoever said that fundamentalists don't help the poor is mistaken. There are some who do, and some who don't. Any one who truly has their heart changed by Christ will help those in need like they should. It won't even be a challenge.

Someone said Christ didn't address abortion, evolution, and homosexuality in any depth. And this is true. Reason being, he felt his stances were directly implied on such isssues. Though abortion didn't exist like it does now, and evolution wasn't even a hypothesis, his views are both specific and general, allowing him to encompass these issues that would later arise. And, Genisis does have a practical application when speaking of Christ's words, you forget that he was raised an orthodox Jew, meaning he held every word in the Torah with great reverance as the written word of his father, and therefore was influenced by them. Murder is wrong, ruling out abortion... I'm sure Jesus felt this way lol. Evolution, besides being scientifically unsound and unfounded, discredits God, and as the son of God, why would Jesus give credit to evolution, even if it didn't exist back then. And homosexuality is covered enough in the Torah(which again he found sacred). And, as for the 9/11 being our fault or whatever some people beilive, it's crazy. Jesus' biggest change from orthodox Judaism is gracy and mercy as opposed to wrath and destruction. And the reason he talked the poor and sick so much was because of the same reason, he was breaking the "it's your fault bad things are happening to you" mindest and trying to usher in the grace and mercy.

Evolution is a flawed theory... if one can call it a theory. Evolution, from the onset, did not employ sound scientific theory. Porponents of it routinely try to prove it... instead of trying to disprove a hypothesis, and in the inability to do so you begin to formulate your theory. Also, scientists are aknowleding now that it is flawed, thus the transfer of though to Intelligent Design as of late, which scientists will still not attribute to God . The only reason evolution stuck around so long was because of sciences' inability to attribute ANYTHING AT ALL to supernatural causes.

I also heard that someone's relative didn't go to church because of the whole 7 days thing. The Hebrew word used to describe day in that passage was a word that had multipple meanings. A. a 12 hour period, B. a 24 hour period, C. a period of time defined by 2 significant events, a beggining event, and and ending event. This could account for thousands, millions, or even billions of years. Could even help explain the dinosaurs lol. I'll leave that up to science.(they don't screw up so bad when there is no bias)

In the last post, I think there was something to the degree of... all paths lead to the devine and therefore suggesting all religions are equal. That is in and of itself contradictory. I don't see many established religions prescribing to that belief. Also, it is an illogical way of thinking. The goal of religion is to attain salvation... and each has its truth, and that is the way it goes about attaining this salvation. What is implied by saying they are all equally valid, is that all truths are also equally valid. Truth is in and of itself is final, and not flexible. Truth is defined as "That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence." There can only be one truth to attaining salvation, and therefore only one religion can be right.

So I guess that's it. I'm open to defending my statements so long as it's debate, not senseless bashing and ignorant argument.

Oh, since this is a mma site, what are you guys thinking of the Gracie-Hughes fighting coming up. I think if Hughes can keep it standing up he's got a good shot(though I heard Royce has been training heavily with boxing and muay thai) but on the ground I'm not sure Hughes can last long. I'm saying Gracie... submission 3rd round... but close fight.

[J-Luck]

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Tant... how can you say, "the doctrine of the duality of god and Jesus is flawed, it is a false teaching." Your argument is not legit and doesn't hold up. The apostles are not God, you are taking the obvious out of context... If a statement is made where the message is heavily implied(remember the original audience) then why would an explanation of calling them one be needed? Also, the doctrine of the trinity is all over scripture... you suggest there is only one we use to define it... that's simply not true. Your argument is internally flawed.

[J-Luck]

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Also, Tant, your statment about Jesus praying to himself makes no sense. True, he is God, but he submits to God and his will, being the son of God. He is not praying to himself, and prayer is not some mystical thing, it's merely talking to God, someone who regularly prays might call it a conversation. Is it SO crazy for a son to talk to his father? Maybe lol... but I don't think so.

[Tom Yum]

The only reason evolution stuck around so long was because of sciences' inability to attribute ANYTHING AT ALL to supernatural causes. .

Bible Scholar...woo hoo !

J-Luck looks like we share a similar faith!!

Through faith we experience things in life that are supernatural; odds that couldnot have been overcome otherwise.

However science can't be denied for what it is - its the best tool for describing the fundamental nature of things around us. The application of these findings creates great things; drugs that attack bacteria, digital screens that can fit onto a pair of contact lenses (sssshhhh...don't tell no one ), artificial organs, even combustion engines that we take for granted every day.

[J-Luck]

hehe

Bible Scholar...woo hoo !

J-Luck looks like we share a similar faith!!

Through faith we experience things in life that are supernatural; odds that couldnot have been overcome otherwise.

However science can't be denied for what it is - its the best tool for describing the fundamental nature of things around us. The application of these findings creates great things; drugs that attack bacteria, digital screens that can fit onto a pair of contact lenses (sssshhhh...don't tell no one ), artificial organs, even combustion engines that we take for granted every day.

Yea I agree 100%, the odds... yet another reason evolution had to die... couldn't overcome the odds of life being created from nothing,(kinda a stretch on evolution, but i think its connected) nor could it account for the human eye...

Science is great, it's everything you said it is, and I believe God and science can work hand and hand... I mean some of the greatest scientists were Christians after all...

Thanks for the scholar comment lol, but I'm far from it. I'm just a kid, but I never do anything half ass, I like to know what I'm talking about, or I'd rather not talk.

[J-Luck]

hehe

And yes, we do share a similar faith. There is something else to be said about Christianity, and it has nothing to do with science, archaeology, or historical authenticity. It's the love. Christianity is the only faith based solely on love. It is also the only non-works based religion(no work required to attain salvation) and that says something to me. Love is also the reason when two Christians find each other, without prior knowledge of that person, they share a bond, and that is a personal relationship and love of the savior, which leads to a certain amount of understanding and a bond shared by otherwise complete strangers... hmm... sounds good to me lol.

Yum, who do you want to win the Gracie/Hughes fight?

[Tom Yum]

Science is great, it's everything you said it is, and I believe God and science can work hand and hand... I mean some of the greatest scientists were Christians after all..

Yes, there were.

Thanks for the scholar comment lol, but I'm far from it. I'm just a kid, but I never do anything half ass, I like to know what I'm talking about, or I'd rather not talk.

I don't know jack about anything at all

Anyhow, welcome to defend.net !

[J-Luck]

Thanks

Thanks, but you still didn't answer lol. Gracie or Hughes??? Who's gonna win?

[Tom Yum]

Hard to say, man.

Hughes is a physical specimen with great ground control + ground & pound. Gracie is of course a Gracie with sub skills and great technique.