Fancy Kicks and TKD work GREAT

[Great Sage]

Most people have the misconception that high and fancy TKD kicks are useless... These same people can't do them nor can they kick. I can do them and have used my kicks in real encounters without any repercussions.

The fact is most people don't expect kicks, especially high ones. It often takes them by surprise and they're usually not ready for them. A flying side kick is the most idea weapon for a "sneak" attack. Against a shove, simply planting and kicking the guy's head with a roundhouse will end the confrontation. Suprisingly, punching will not work, because as we know, our heads are higher up and people will see punches coming, but not a kick from down below.

I don't claim that simply thowing a tornado kick will win you a fight, but any technique can be practiced to a degree of effectiveness.

[JIMI]

Wonderful.............now go out and do some Van Dammage!!!!

[Great Sage]

I'm well aware that you can't kick...

[JIMI]

Hey man no need to insult me... i was trying to say "good for you" most people cant make that stuff work, but if you can , more power to yah. By the way, i can kick.

[Guest]

I'm sure they can work on some occasions for the very best people, people who dedicate years to earning them. But standing on one leg, raising the other high in the air, is a little unwise for a street fight in my opinion.

And, by definition, a high kick has to go high, so it is not true to say that they will be less easy to spot than a punch.

In the sports arena (most sports) we are conditioned NOT to grab the leg, and NOT to kick to the groin. But a street fighter will do these things (and alot more).

And they take so much more time than hand techniques, as they travel many times the distance.

For Great Sage I say this, you do them if you want to.
For everyone else I say this. Get your heads out of dream land and learn techniques to save your life, not boost your ego.

PS - and no, I can no longer kick high. I no longer want to and stopped training them some time ago. As a younger man I did dream about impressing everyone with them, but then I grew up.

Fond regards!

[akja]

Re: Fancy Kicks and TKD work GREAT

Originally posted by Great Sage
Most people have the misconception that high and fancy TKD kicks are useless... These same people can't do them nor can they kick. I can do them and have used my kicks in real encounters without any repercussions.

The fact is most people don't expect kicks, especially high ones. It often takes them by surprise and they're usually not ready for them. A flying side kick is the most idea weapon for a "sneak" attack. Against a shove, simply planting and kicking the guy's head with a roundhouse will end the confrontation. Suprisingly, punching will not work, because as we know, our heads are higher up and people will see punches coming, but not a kick from down below.

I don't claim that simply thowing a tornado kick will win you a fight, but any technique can be practiced to a degree of effectiveness.

A couple of things. My primary choice of range is inside. As an inside fighter if you raise your leg, the higher it gets the more probability of you going down. If you spin kick, even easier. If you fly and kick, its as easy as just pushing you.

Where and how do you think you will land? Your not a cat, you won't land on your feet. Either on your head or back or your side is a good probability.

I probably wouldn't just push against a flying kick but the point is, its that easy to take you out of your game. Especially with todays mentality. People that haven't even trained before are receiving exposure to fight techniques from all kinds of mediums.

The smart fighter is the one that will prevail.

[Great Sage]

Hey man no need to insult me... i was trying to say "good for you" most people cant make that stuff work, but if you can , more power to yah. By the way, i can kick.

No, I'm not insulting you... I just don't like Van Damme.

A couple of things. My primary choice of range is inside. As an inside fighter if you raise your leg, the higher it gets the more probability of you going down. If you spin kick, even easier. If you fly and kick, its as easy as just pushing you.

Where and how do you think you will land? Your not a cat, you won't land on your feet. Either on your head or back or your side is a good probability.

I probably wouldn't just push against a flying kick but the point is, its that easy to take you out of your game. Especially with todays mentality. People that haven't even trained before are receiving exposure to fight techniques from all kinds of mediums.

It's not nearly as simple as pushing somone over when they're flying at you. Especially, out of nowhere.

I'm sure they can work on some occasions for the very best people, people who dedicate years to earning them. But standing on one leg, raising the other high in the air, is a little unwise for a street fight in my opinion.

Well, I'm not suggesting that one flash his kicks at will. A high kick can have it's place and can take someone by surprise if it's fast and powerful.

And, by definition, a high kick has to go high, so it is not true to say that they will be less easy to spot than a punch.

Actually, I've seen on more occasions than one a Kickboxer kick with enough speed to counter a punch. Here's an exercise: find a good kicker, stand at fighting positions at a relatively good position where you can just about reach each other. See if you can see his kicks faster, or his hands. Chances are you will see his hands because they are up higher, even though they are faster.

[platinum_angel]

Actually, I've seen on more occasions than one a Kickboxer kick with enough speed to counter a punch. Here's an exercise: find a good kicker, stand at fighting positions at a relatively good position where you can just about reach each other. See if you can see his kicks faster, or his hands. Chances are you will see his hands because they are up higher, even though they are faster.

i agree its got to do with the range of your vision and what your opponent is expecting. most street fighter i know always look to the upper body to expect punches so the kick would catch them off guard.

but overall i would have to agree with bri thai more. because even if the street fighter is not expecting it guess what their reflexion is. thats right to grab the leg it happens every time when i fight in the street. thats why i try to avoid high kicks. they are pretty much useless and their not even flashy to me. but that might be because i am a b-boy. its all got to do with balance. not to mention the style to most likely use those types of kicks are TKD and TKD fighters leave their hands down like idiots.

Suprisingly, punching will not work, because as we know, our heads are higher up and people will see punches coming, but not a kick from down below.

what dumb thing to say lol i wont even bother on this one you know whats wrong with what you said.

time to wake up

[eXcessiveForce]

Olympic tkd keeps their hands down, I still am not sure why.

I have trained at well over 30 TKD schools and have in every one of the heard the instructor tell the students to keep their hands up.

If you ever do get tagged by a spin heel kick to the head you don't drop your hands.


I saw a guy get hit with a spin heal at an open tournament, He hit the floor, No pulse not breathing. He came around about 30 seconds later with a pulse they carried him out on a back board.


As I've said before there are uses for high kicks but it has to be the right time. The worst thing you could ever do is try to force a high kick. that is a good way to get your butt handed to you.



Side note, small jumps during a kick can actually improve balance. you are more likely to loose balance with your base leg on the floor. If you pull it up during the kick and do get pushed you have a chance and landing a little better. Just my experience.

Also catching a full power kick is not as easy as it sounds. For all you muay Thai guys imagine trying a street fighter who has little experience with kicks trying to catch a thai kick to the neck or ribs.
If they do catch it, it is usually after the kick has struck.

anyway, have fun talking about all this.

Great Sage I would not over rely on high kicks, they do work but things can go wrong pretty easily.

[akja]

Originally posted by Great Sage



It's not nearly as simple as pushing somone over when they're flying at you. Especially, out of nowhere.

Your going to come flying out of nowhere? Your in ninja attack mode?

If your in the air, its simple to knock you down. Your opponent does not even have to do anything at all except run right in to you and you will be down. Period.

It is that simple. I didn't say the kicks won't work. I said that your to vunerable. If you are a fighter, which you've stated all the fights that you've experienced, then you should know that.

[Typhoon]

Gus saying I ll do this while you do that does not prove anything. I ll push you when you kick me, it may sound easy but what if the guy sets you up if he is experienced. Anything can work if you make it to work but there is a time and place for things. You are obviously arent gonan try to kick a guy to the head that has a very good guard around his head like a boxer or a person thats good at close range, high kicks work when someone misses dramatically exposing them self completely open then you take your shot but you better make sure its a good one and one you can do. And obviously punching is easier to perform takes less effort BUT there is a time for punching also you cant try to force to get close to a guy that too far for you to puch kicking him in the leg would be a lot easier(place and tiem for everythigndont force anything) But I highyl disagree when peopel say boxing takes legs out quickly and easily, I agree its easy to move in on a missed kick but if th eperson is smart they have enough skill to keep you away at a distance then nither will be abel to geta good shot. It coems down to who is smarter and better like many peopel will say its not the style but how you train your body and your exprience along with other things to throw in to that equation in my OPINION any style can be made to work as long as you can adapt it and are good at what you do. If you are a lazy and want easy triaining that wont get you anywhere.

[crazyjoe380]

i keep my hands up at all times..
and i take it from there...
where ever the fists and kicks may land..

[shasan]

Haven't been training for too long, but here's what I think:

Two things I assume when training:

1. The guy I'll be fighting is a GOOD FIGHTER

2. He's got friends.

It's - not - tough - to - beat - up - idiots. Sure, you can sucker a couple of street fighters into your kick, but what happens if he knows what he's doing and closes the gap?

It's not hard to close the gap on kick-people. And what are you going to do when that happens? I'm sure the stuff works great in a fight, just like punches, joint locks, throws and submissions, but any ONE of those things without the rest is not entirely reliable.

4 ranges man, 4 ranges.

Plus tae kwon do has some crazy telegraphing going on no?

My $0.02

Sameer.

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by akja
If your in the air, its simple to knock you down. Your opponent does not even have to do anything at all except run right in to you and you will be down. Period.

It is that simple. I didn't say the kicks won't work. I said that your to vunerable. If you are a fighter, which you've stated all the fights that you've experienced, then you should know that.

Unfortunately for you, this is not true at all. A person executing a flying kick correctly is coiled and releases at the appropriate time of contact. If you came running into a kick, that would be even better for the kicker. A matter of physics... The guy moving with great force then releasing a kick will have more momentum. If you simply tried to push, you'd be in for a surprise.

Originally posted by shasan
It's - not - tough - to - beat - up - idiots. Sure, you can sucker a couple of street fighters into your kick, but what happens if he knows what he's doing and closes the gap?

First of all, most "so-called" street fighters don't know how to fight. Second of all, if they do know how to fight, you deal with the situation accordingly. Bridging the gap against a stop kick is not as easy as it seems. Another fighter who fights you for the first time has no clue as to your techniques, as you have no clue. So it's really up to who can come up with a surprise attack that works.

Originally posted by shasan
It's not hard to close the gap on kick-people. And what are you going to do when that happens? I'm sure the stuff works great in a fight, just like punches, joint locks, throws and submissions, but any ONE of those things without the rest is not entirely reliable.

Plus tae kwon do has some crazy telegraphing going on no?

NOTHING is reliable unless you can apply it. And you can only apply it if you spend countless hours trying to perfect it, and even then it will be hard. You speak as though there are gaurauntees in fighing...

I've seen people side-step a clinch attempt as well as people getting clinched because they were kicking improperly... So it goes either way.

[yungsmoke]

all i have to say is dotn fly kick any one i have seen people get there asses kick because of it.
in the air, on one leg with your back turned........hell ****ing no!!!