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    I know this has little to do with nhb but what do you guys think about legalizing dope?

    [Edited by royceg420 on 11-05-2000 at 08:42 PM]

  • #2
    c'mom I know you guys have an opinion about this

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    • #3

      controversy city..is what I think when the forum starts answering this.

      If you ask me...why someone would want to smoke something that alters their behavior into an aloof, and rather "moronic" dolt in the first place is way beyond me..


      Good luck on your thread, though.


      Ryu

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      • #4
        Have you ever smoked it Ryu?It doesn't sound like you have...but that is just a guess.

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        • #5
          I think it should all be legalized, let the one's who love it overdose, the ones who can use it properly do so, and the one's who are smart of enough to stay away do so.

          Keeping drugs illegal simply over-populate the prison's and make it very dangerous for others. It also makes it something "cool" for younger kids to do. The damned rebellious and influential teen years is how people get hooked.

          I believe that if they wouldn't have went with this psychotic "war on drugs", that they wouldn't be as big of a problem as they are today.

          You can't stop something like drugs. Some people NEED drugs, and drugs will always be here, so I believe we should do our best to work around it. Which will probably never happen.

          They outlawed alcohal and since people still did it underground they re-legalized it. They outlawed other drugs and since people still do it, they make laws tougher.

          Where's the logic?

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          • #6
            Biz knows what he's talking about. Just curious, do you smoke? I know how everyone that smokes feels but I want to know how many people that don't smoke agree with me(and you).

            I also want to know why people think they should be illegal. I see why people think they are "bad" but I'm really curious to see why people think they should be illegal, it just doesn't make sence to me.

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            • #7
              Many of my friends smoke weed, and I suspect most people here have tried or continue to smoke. Personally I havent even tried tobacco let alone weed.
              But i do drink

              I think they should legalize it, i mean look at what booze can do to u!

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              • #8

                Don't smoke or drink, but knew a lot of people who did.
                Seen the effects first hand.

                Ryu

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                • #9
                  Ryu:
                  drinking is alot different than smoking and alot of people do act stupid(drinking and smoking) but, in most cases I have seen, the ones being stupid 1) can't handle it(hence shouldn't do it) 2)had way too much or 3)are actually acting. They feel a buzz and think they have to act stupid because they're just doing it to fit in. I respect your views, as I am not pushing anyone to smoke, but how do you feel on legalization?

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                  • #10

                    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

                    Well as usual I can see two sides of the coin on the matter..
                    I do think Biz has a point about teens doing things because they are "illegal." After you hit 21, drinking doesn't become that awesome of a taboo anymore...
                    But on the other hand, I think legalization could lead to a somewhat decadent mentality on the subject of drugs in the first place. There is still research on the affects of marijuana and whether or not it leads into other types of drugs, effects on the brain, etc. So I don't think people should jump the gun until the research is in. It's the same with creatine (which I used to take). I would just rather get all the info first.
                    I think for the most part, smoking pot, and getting drunk seem to be seen as a more "juvenile" and rather low class practice. So I don't think the government would want to appear to advocate that mentality whether or not it was their intention to do so. Sooo......
                    all in all this is a hard issue to deal with. For me personally, I'd rather see people not getting drunk and stoned just because it seems so "usual" in our society. Hearing about how drunk two girls got last night gets somewhat boring to me. I'm not saying drinking alcohol is "evil" or anything like that, but in other countries the focus is not on getting "plastered" when you drink, and is more on just having a glass of wine with dinner, or a beer occasionally. But just like religion, PEOPLE tend to turn things into large issues because they cannot make clear judgments all the time.

                    So I guess that's what I have to say about that

                    Take care,
                    Ryu

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                    • #11
                      Marijuana Facts & Myths

                      Fellow Jiu-jitsu Practitioners and Stoners,

                      I'm for the legalization of marijuana. I just thought I'd post some intersting facts for everyone to take a look at. Peace.

                      //////////# ~~~~~~

                      Marijuana Facts & Myths

                      1. According to the UN's estimate, 141 million people around the world use marijuana. This represents about 2.5 percent of the world population.

                      Source: United Nations Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention, Global Illicit Drug Trends 1999 (New York, NY: UNODCCP, 1999), p. 91.

                      2. Marijuana was first federally prohibited in 1937. Today, nearly 70 million Americans admit to having tried it.

                      Sources: Marihuana Tax Act of 1937; Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Population Estimates 1996, (Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 1997), p. 23, Table 3A.

                      3. A John Hopkins study published in May 1999, examined marijuana's effects on cognition on 1,318 participants over a 15 year period. Researchers reported "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis." They also found "no male-female differences in cognitive decline in relation to cannabis use." "These results ... seem to provide strong evidence of the absence of a long-term residual effect of cannabis use on cognition," they concluded.

                      Source: Constantine G. Lyketsos, Elizabeth Garrett, Kung-Yee Liang, and James C. Anthony. (1999). "Cannabis Use and Cognitive Decline in Persons under 65 Years of Age," American Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 149, No. 9.

                      4. In March 1999, the Institute of Medicine issued a report on various aspects of marijuana, including the so-called, Gateway Theory (the theory that using marijuana leads people to use harder drugs like cocaine and heroin). The IOM stated, "There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs."

                      Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999).

                      5. The Institute of Medicine's 1999 report on marijuana explained that marijuana has been mistaken for a gateway drug in the past because, "Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana? usually before they are of legal age."

                      Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base, Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999).

                      6. A 1999 report commissioned by Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey and conducted by the Institute of Medicine found that, "For most people, the primary adverse effect of acute marijuana use is diminished psychomotor performance. It is, therefore, inadvisable to operate any vehicle or potentially dangerous equipment while under the influence of marijuana, THC, or any cannabinoid drug with comparable effects."

                      Source: Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base, Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999).

                      7. The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care."

                      Source: US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition," [Docket #86-22], (September 6, 1988), p. 57.

                      8. Commissioned by President Nixon in 1972, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that "Marihuana's relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it. This judgment is based on prevalent use patterns, on behavior exhibited by the vast majority of users and on our interpretations of existing medical and scientific data. This position also is consistent with the estimate by law enforcement personnel that the elimination of use is unattainable."

                      Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. V, (Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972).

                      9. When examining the relationship between marijuana use and violent crime, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded, "Rather than inducing violent or aggressive behavior through its purported effects of lowering inhibitions, weakening impulse control and heightening aggressive tendencies, marihuana was usually found to inhibit the expression of aggressive impulses by pacifying the user, interfering with muscular coordination, reducing psychomotor activities and generally producing states of drowsiness lethargy, timidity and passivity."

                      Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. III, (Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972).

                      10. When examining the medical affects of marijuana use, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded, "A careful search of the literature and testimony of the nation's health officials has not revealed a single human fatality in the United States proven to have resulted solely from ingestion of marihuana. Experiments with the drug in monkeys demonstrated that the dose required for overdose death was enormous and for all practical purposes unachievable by humans smoking marihuana. This is in marked contrast to other substances in common use, most notably alcohol and barbiturate sleeping pills. The WHO reached the same conclusion in 1995.

                      Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. III, (Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972); Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995, (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).

                      11. In 1998, 682,885 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses; that's approximately one arrest every 46 seconds. About 88% of those were for simple possession-not manufacture or distribution.

                      Source: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1998 (Washington DC: US Government Printing Office, 1999).

                      12. The World Health Organization released a study in March 1998 that states: "there are good reasons for saying that [the risks from cannabis] would be unlikely to seriously [compare to] the public health risks of alcohol and tobacco even if as many people used cannabis as now drink alcohol or smoke tobacco."

                      Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995, (contained in original version, but deleted from official version) (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).

                      13. The authors of a 1998 World Health Organization report comparing marijuana, alcohol, nicotine and opiates quote the Institute of Medicine's 1982 report stating that there is no evidence that smoking marijuana "exerts a permanently deleterious effect on the normal cardiovascular system."

                      Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995 (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).

                      14. Some claim that cannabis use leads to "adult amotivation." The World Health Organization report addresses the issue and states, "it is doubtful that cannabis use produces a well defined amotivational syndrome." The report also notes that the value of studies which support the "adult amotivation" theory are "limited by their small sample sizes" and lack of representative social/cultural groups.

                      Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995 (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).

                      15. Australian researchers found that regions giving on-the-spot fines to marijuana users rather than harsher criminal penalties did not cause marijuana use to increase.

                      Source: Ali, Robert, et al., The Social Impacts of the Cannabis Expiation Notice Scheme in South Australia: Summary Report (Canberra, Australia: Department of Health and Aged Care, 1999), p. 44.

                      16. Since 1969, government-appointed commissions in the United States, Canada, England, Australia, and the Netherlands concluded, after reviewing the scientific evidence, that marijuana's dangers had previously been greatly exaggerated, and urged lawmakers to drastically reduce or eliminate penalties for marijuana possession.

                      Source: Advisory Committee on Drug Dependence, Cannabis (London, England: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1969); Canadian Government Commission of Inquiry, The Non-Medical Use of Drugs (Ottawa, Canada: Information Canada, 1970); The National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, (Nixon-Shafer Report) (Washington, DC: USGPO, 1972); Werkgroep Verdovende Middelen, Background and Risks of Drug Use (The Hague, The Netherlands: Staatsuigeverij, 1972); Senate Standing Committee on Social Welfare, Drug Problems in Australia-An Intoxicated Society (Canberra, Australia: Australian Government Publishing Service, 1977).

                      17. In May of 1998, the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, National Working Group on Addictions Policy released policy a discussion document which recommended, "The severity of punishment for a cannabis possession charge should be reduced. Specifically, cannabis possession should be converted to a civil violation under the Contraventions Act." The paper further noted that, "The available evidence indicates that removal of jail as a sentencing option would lead to considerable cost savings without leading to increases in rates of cannabis use."

                      Source: Single, Eric, Cannabis Control in Canada: Options Regarding Possession (Ottawa, Canada: Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse, May 1998).

                      18. "Our conclusion is that the present law on cannabis produces more harm than it prevents. It is very expensive of the time and resources of the criminal justice system and especially of the police. It inevitably bears more heavily on young people in the streets of inner cities, who are also more likely to be from minority ethnic communities, and as such is inimical to police-community relations. It criminalizes large numbers of otherwise law-abiding, mainly young, people to the detriment of their futures. It has become a proxy for the control of public order; and it inhibits accurate education about the relative risks of different drugs including the risks of cannabis itself.

                      Source: Police Foundation of the United Kingdom, "Drugs and the Law: Report of the Independent Inquiry into the Misuse of Drugs Act of 1971", April 4, 2000. The Police Foundation, based in London, England, is a nonprofit organization presided over by Charles, Crown Prince of Wales, which promotes research, debate and publication to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of policing in the UK.

                      19. "There is no reason to believe that today's marijuana is stronger or more dangerous than the marijuana smoked during the 1960s and 1970s."

                      Source: Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D. and John P. Morgan, M.D., Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts (New York: The Lindesmith Center , 1997), p. 140.

                      (EDS. NOTE: Readers are encouraged to review chapter 19 of Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts where this multifaceted issue is dealt with in detail.)

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                      • #12


                        The only problem with that is that you are not an objective viewer on the subject.
                        I'm sure an anti-drug poster will post with just as many "statistics" that "prove" marijuana is bad.

                        It might just be me, but the picture of an entire nation of people smoking pot, getting drunk, and not having a care in the world is not pretty to me

                        But I suppose I could just move.....oh wait I am

                        Ryu

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                        • #13
                          I don't smoke weed, but have. I really don't care for the effect.

                          I can see the other side of the coin though. Legal or illegal. There's no winning with either decision, I just think the positives would outweigh the negatives if it were all legalized.

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                          • #14
                            Hello Ryu,

                            You're right, I'm not an objective viewer on this subject, but it's not because I smoke pot. In fact, I don't smoke it at all.

                            The reason it should be legalized is because of all the other benefits it would bring. Hemp has been around for thousands of years and it has very useful industrial applications. A field of hemp can be used to make clothes, paper, rope, animal feed, etc... The list is endless. And, a new crop can be planted and harvested in about 4-5 months when you have to wait an average of 20 years for trees.

                            You're right, an anti-drug poster would post just as many statistics to "prove" that marijuana is harmful. Please refer to my previous post under item 16, which says that previous results made by government agencies were greatly OVEREXAGGERATED.

                            Why is it that nobody is arguing the harmful effects of cocaine or heroin use/addiction/etc...??? It's because everyone knows these are harmful drugs. Even the people who use them will tell you that. It's just that they're already addicted and can't help it.

                            There is a lot of money that's going to be lost by Industries like TOBACCO and ALCOHOL should marijuana be legalized. Those corporations are the ones giving law-makers in Washington major amounts of money to prevent that from happening.

                            I don't expect for you to agree with me, but we can agree to disagree. But there are people who should not be labeled criminals for smoking a little bit of "weed".


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                            • #15
                              Yeah, no matter how many people are for legalizing drugs, government and certain organizations have too much power. It will never be legalized for that reason.

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