Who has fought with another Martial Artist?

[Great Sage]

This question is the very reason I train each day... I've never fought another martial artist outside of sparring matches and tournaments. I'm training for the moment when my skills will really be put to the test.

I've fought guys who couldn't read a rear roundhouse kick if it tapped them on the shoulder... For the average guy, a martial artist can be pretty dominant, but another martial artist, or experienced fighter is another story...

I've never been truly tested, so at this point I don't know how well I would do against another martial artist... I'd probably get my clock cleaned.... How about you guys?

[crazyjoe380]

i've fought a wing chung guy, karate guy, tkd guy all victories on my part..

believe it or not i've lost to street fighters.. and boxers..

[Toudiyama]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
i've fought a wing chung guy, karate guy, tkd guy all victories on my part..

believe it or not i've lost to street fighters.. and boxers..

Problem with martial artists is thatwe are too nice in a real fight
instead of hitting a boxer where it hurts we(I mean most MA with that) tend to hit the places where they are trained to receive some blows
Why not grab the groin and squeeze or hit the adamsapple
On top of that most traditional MA aren't reallyy trained to take a hit, let alone multiple hits, most can take a lot of beating on the body but the head is something completely different but oh so crucial in real combat

[crazyjoe380]

that was then...

i'm almost a complete fighter.. boxing, grappling, footwork, ground and pound, control, throwing, locks, .. plus my street fighting .. and muay thai..

the same guys i lost to would die in my presents today

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
the same guys i lost to would die in my presents today

Hahahaha... I like that attitude...

[Bau13]

Thats "PRESENCE" you dumbass....

Presents are what you get for Christmas and Birthdays....

Long time no see Joe!!

[Tom Yum]

I sparred an amateur boxer during my traditional MA days. I landed three unanswered kicks! He would eat my sidekick. One of them was a hook kick to the head that knocked him down. The kick landed square on his temple and he fell but got right up! I foolishly tried to exchange punches and he hit me with a left hook that made me run just to keep standing! I tried to play the distance game, because this guy was tough. He knocked me down three times. One of the times, he would skip past a front thrust kick while getting inside and land a smashing right cross which sent me crashing to the floor. I had enough. Turns out he had a couple golden glove fights in another state. We talked alot after our sparring session. He said my kicks were fast and solid, but my hands were too rigid and that I would subconsciously lift my chin while throwing certain kicks. He picked up on it, figured out how to get past a kick and wham. This guy was boxing for no longer than a year and TKO'd me after my 3-4 years of traditional MA. Pound for pound, I believe that boxing and MT are the top stand up arts out there.

I think most of you will agree. If you are skeptical, go to your nearest boxing gym and ask if you can go a few rounds with one of their competitve fighters.

[darrianation]

I totally agree tom.

People in the martial arts world would always give me dirty looks when I would say I want to take up boxing. Not the MT guys just traditional karate guys. I always told them that a decent amateur boxer would kick all their asses. I still believe this today. As a muay thai person myself I still practice my kicks and kicking combos but the majority of my time I spend on practicing the slip, bob& weave, staying in range and countering. This type of stuff most traditional ma guys no nothing about. Most trad’ ma guys either block techniques with their arms or move out of the way, but they move to far and find themselves out of range to counter. MT and boxing teaches how to use legs to block (MT) and parries , slip, bob etc, while staying in range to counter. These concepts are hard for most trad’ ma to understand. I know cuz’ I’ve done both trad’ ma and MT.

[Toudiyama]

Traditional against moderrn should not be looked at in years of training but in hours of training
If you look at that you will most probably see that modern MA train more often in a week (6 days a week several hours a day)

In most trad schools here in my country you can train an art 2 maybe 3X a week, MT schools on the other hand you can come in any day except for sundays

Also a lot of trad schools don't even allow sparring until you reach a certain level, modern starts with it because that's what is the object: fighting matches

I don't think any of us here knows how much traditional styles there are nor how effective they might be, just the traditional schools we trained
So rather than saying that MT will do better than trad, mention the style you trained(heck even within styles there can be a huge difference)

The only problem that I had when I started training MT was that I pulled the punches, I just touched my sparringspartners body, when he said that I could punch full out, the next puch to his plexus with foamfilled gloves totay knocked the air out of him
Oh and receiving a flying punch from the europeaan champion MT opened my eyes for strange technques

BTW I do not see many thai fighters ise bob and weave so I think western MT fighters/schools have borrowed from boxing

in the 1950 japanese MAs would tour the US to challenge wrestlers and boxers and win BUT these were guys living MA, training from childhood almost from dusk till dawn

jeesh what a lot of text just to say that it's all in the amount of time you spend on training fighting so sparring
Styles that only do basics and kata(forms) won't stand a chance

[Guest]

I've fought a few who "said" they were martial artists. But there are loads of arse holes out there who claim these things.

They didn't even know how to fall

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Not "fight" as in streetfight

But I've sparred with the likes of

Paul Vunak
Rickson Gracie
Carlos Machado

Plus lesser known people who were
great at what they do.
former judo champs
a JKD guy who was into a bit of amateur NHB
and others.

[Tom Yum]

Wow! Can you tell us what you learned from ea? Is Vunak a heavy puncher?

[ryanhall]

Impressive training list, Ryu. It would be pretty interesting to learn something from those guys.

Re: fighting a martial artist
You probably wouldn't know if you fought one because a lot of times people are overwhelmed by the moment and their training doesn't show one bit. You might know it if you fought someone who was technical on the ground and they managed to keep their head about them or if they threw a Thai kick at your thigh. Other than that...probably not. It's surprising how few martial artists show any signs of their training when they get into a fight.

[NHBMARK1]

Hey Ryu (JKD?),

Of those three, Vunak, Gracie, & Machado, who do you feel would be the "baddest & most dangerous in a street fight.

[darrianation]

Bob & weave

BTW I do not see many thai fighters ise bob and weave so I think western MT fighters/schools have borrowed from boxing

When I first started muay thai there was MT, kickboxing, western boxing, and kenpo at the gym I went to. So yes there were some strong western influences on the MT I first learned. I’ve trained in different gyms and all of them have been different to one degree or another, yes I still have some residual western boxing habits. I don’t consider that bad. I have also trained longer in traditional karate than I have MT and can’t kick some those habits either (some good, some bad).

When I talk about the bob & weave I don’t mean the exact way western boxers do it.
I do a modified version. Bob is simply a duck strait down and come back up slightly to the left or right, only bending at the knees. A weave is just two or three bobs strung together. The difference is in western boxing the boxer bends a little more at the waist and leans slightly forward (weaving). This is dangerous in MT because of knees. Western boxers don’t have to worry about knees. Even in what I call the thai style bob & weave I still have to be careful of the clinch.