Hapkido vs. Jiu Jitsu

[Great Sage]

What are the similarities and differences between Hapkido and Jiu Jitsu? In the past, I was trained in a TKD/Hapkido dojan, but there was no detailed ground fighting. Mostly joint locks, a few throws and strikes. On several Hapkido sites, there is mention that Hapkido surpasses Jiu jitsu because it encompasses striking, joint locks and grappling. I'd like to know if these claims are true... Perhaps, I was taught a limited version of Hapkido, but I don't recall any work on the ground.

I took Jiu Jitsu for several weeks, but the school closed due to poor attendance. Now I'd like to take more grappling. BJJ would be idea, but not realistic here. There are Hapkido schools and Jiu Jitsu programs, so I need to investigate where I need to go.

[Guest]

Judo.

Judo supplemented with a striking art is excellent. After all, it is more akin to BJJ than Japanese Jui Jitsu.

[ryanhall]

From what I understand, Hapkido does encompass groundwork, but not nearly to the degree that BJJ, Judo, Sombo, et al do. As a result, I would stay away from it. Would you like to learn your rear cross from a wrestler? An armbar from a boxer? The Hapkido groundwork that I was taught was very poor, and with a only a year of Judo behind me, I was miles ahead of everyone else.

In reference to Jiu Jitsu: are you referring to Japanese or BJJ? Japanese JJ is very diverse, with some styles being indistinguishable from karate, and some being very soft.

[Crouchtig]

judo + striking = good

are you sure?

i did judo for about two years and now do muay thai

judo throws are still useful (especialy the ones with sweeps. good for me because i have long legs)

but im not so sure about judo "ground fighting"
its on the ground
but there arent any strikes
submission holds? not really but there is a wide abundance of just holds

in what ways is judo useful?

[Crouchtig]

Originally posted by Bri Thai
Judo.

Judo supplemented with a striking art is excellent. After all, it is more akin to BJJ than Japanese Jui Jitsu.

that makes me happy

i wont ever bother with JJ now

perhaps if i remember my judo ill be a better all-round fighter

id previously discarded most of it

[Crouchtig]

are you saying

judo is like BJJ and judo is not like JJ

OR

judo is like BJJ and BJJ is not like JJ

just out of interest

i would prefer the latter as it means i know more BJJ that a JJ practitioner

the former just means i know more BJJ than i do JJ

[crazyjoe380]

Aikido and judo both came from jiu jitsu ya dumbski

[JaredExtreme]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
Aikido and judo both came from jiu jitsu ya dumbski

Ah Joe, I believe you mean aikido and judo both came from jujutsu. (sarcasm)

But as for judo for groundfighting, it really depends on the individual school. A lot of judo schools just practice scarf holds and simple armbars/chokes that are certainly better than than nothing, but lack the depth of BJJ grappling.

Just to illustrate this point, one of my friends who is a blue belt in BJJ went to my college judo club and tapped the black belts with no difficulty, despite some of them having years of judo experience and weight advantages.

[ceasarx]

In regards to the original question about Hapkido. Hapkido in its true form looks alot like Aikijujitsu because it comes from Aikijujitsu. As far as ground skills go I would not put alot of faith into Hapkido but overall it is a good art. If anyone from an Hapkido school says they are superior to Jujitsu because they use more strikes they are full of it because one the are suppose to be an aiki art and use minimum strikes and two true Jujitsu does use strikes they just dont focus on them.

[Tom Yum]

HKD is a lot like traditional jj when it comes to sweeps, standing locks, shoulder/hip throws but you also integrate some striking as well. HKD ground fighting is definitely not as complete as bjj. BJJ has many more submissions plus you learn how move, roll and change position according to what your partner is doing.

[Great Sage]

Thanks for the feedback guys... I think I'll stick with boxing until I find a suitable grappling curriculum..

[crazyjoe380]

hapkido vs jiu jitsu??

go right for the base style .. why short cut..
hapkido.. umm jackie chans style.. enjoy that one..

[H@pkid0ist]

There is a big difference between Hapkido taught in most TKD schools and traditional Hapkido. Someone who studied at a TKD school dosn't really know what Hapkido is. This is not 100%. There are some schools out there that teach both seperate or both complete under one ciriculum. Hapkido at a TKD school is not Hapkido, it is TKD with a Hapkido influince. You are learning Hapkido techniques but not Hapkido. As far as the ground work, it is not as indepth as a specialized ground system, but we are not helpless on the ground. Not by far. Hapkido ground fighting focuses on breaking something and getting up. We do not roll around with you and try to lock you for a submission or to tap you out. We break something and get up. We also utilize pressure points on the ground and if needed we will offset their balance only to get them off of us so that we can get up. At the higher levels in my school we also, studie Yudo. Hapkido ground work is not just a set of basic techniques. They are indepth and advanced. It also, honestly depends on the school you attend.

[Tom Yum]

That sounds dead on to my former cirriculum. Strike, sweep/throw, finishing hold and get up. The pressure points were used on the ground to lead into a submission or sometimes in conjunction. Take your classical defense against a headlock-simultaneous palm strike to the chin, pass striking palm around the neck while sweeping up the thigh with the other hand which creates a lever for a take-down- from the ground a typical hkd might strike the groin on the ground, while applying pressure under the ear to loosen the hold and finish with an arm bar and maybe a knee drop to the ribs/head while standing up.

Hapkido is slightly more favorable to the street if you are dealing with a street ruffian or inexperienced grappler. the art is known for its ability to flow from range to range which takes alot of practice. The reason I think that is that its better to be on your feet in an uncontrolled environment, but you need to deal with the reality of a fall, knockdown or tackle.

HOWEVER, in an MMA match a HKD stylist would show some elementary grappling abilities and loose against wrestlers/bjj. On a technical level (This may vary in school and opinion) bb HKD stylists AT BEST are barely good enough to hold their own against a BJJ blue belt.

[crazyjoe380]

well .. if you take bjj and add elbows, eye strikes, groin strikes, punches, knees.. Bites, headbutts, plus the joint locks and strangles..

then jiu jitsu superseeds everything..


JIU JITSU WINS!! YAAAYYYYY!