I've been browsing the board and i see questions and imcompletes in bits and pieces..

[crazyjoe380]

How to dodge this.. how to block this.. what if you use this.. diffrent kicks.. and elbow strike .. this jiu jitsu that ju jitsu..


i've come to the conclusion that i'm doing something right. Muay thai training.. my boxing training .. and my jiu jitsu training..
all cover those grounds..

from

sprawling to fainting to elbowing 5 diffrent directons to your face.

why is everyone asking these questions.. the questions should be .. what martial arts am i taking and why do they not teach the questions i'm asking at defend.net

If there is something i don't know. i investigate who is teaching it and i try to learn it. Dodging and ducking under a fist... man ..
have you ever faught a guy who throws 100 punches a sec and seems like every fist his hitting you.. i have... but most of them were not hitting me.. it just feels like it cause it's bare knuckle and when your getting hit its owwww! owwwww! ok that punch was worth 40 hits... and so on.. ducking and hitting right away, avoiding the knee.. jucking under a punch and countering with your own.. or even a take down. their is takdowns that do require you to even go with the guy. anke pick with your head pressuing you'll send him flying..

now if you are not learning how to fight in all ranges.. you need to ask your teacher to um.. speed shit up a litte. let's get to the good parts.

I've seen a Ninjitsu teacher .. teach his students some of the dumbest shit. catch a round house kick with your back legs and fall/tumble with it. some teachers want you to keep paying that cash.. and you'll learn sooner or later..


keep it crackin.. you have eyes to see if your getting taught and you have a heart to have the courage to tell your instructor to.. um .. f.uck off or speed it up.. or what not if you think he isn't doing a good job.

if you are into Aikido, Hapkido, .. etc.. it wont hurt to take boxing ono the side.. or even something else.. it will make you a better fighter.

aikido will not work alone in my opinion cause we are evolving as people.. damn have you seen these high school kids, BIG ASS HELL! i was little in High School. i was healthy but not these little giants i see. besides the size, the fighting styles..

in the 60's 70's 80's for some reason we thought karate is the shit.. look what everyone is taking now. i started straight from Muay thai to boxing. i'm just an example of what kids are starting off with now...

You want techniques.. go pay like i did.. out da pocket and then you can teach ur people...

am i making sense/cents?


peace..

CJ the Don..















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[Tom Yum]

True. Because MT and boxing are more public now then those days.

When I look at most big kids today on the street, they are asymmetrical. They train to look hard and gain strength, but with no athletic goal in mind. I see kids with broad shoulders, big chests and cut biceps.....but with stick legs. Boxing and MT require you to be strong from the ground up. You've got to have strong and powerfull legs, but also be able to stand after 4+ rounds of punishment. You've got to have explosive power in your hips, lats, shoulders and triceps, not to mention good coordination, body mechanics, footwork and stamina.

Then comes reflexes and strategy. Can you see a hook coming and bob at the right time? Can you slip outside punches and get the angle? Do you keep your head moving? Do you notice how your sparring partner scoops the jab back in instead of retracting quickly? Can you see where your partners hands and head are when he throws a rear leg round kick?

Kids are stronger, bigger and more aggressive than before, but without training they throw a lot of crooked arm punches. They substitute weight training for proper boxing/MT fundamentals.

[Lizard]

A lot of Thai boxers from Thailand are quite skinny but still hit with a lot of power. I have a friend who is very strong but slow, he tries to push you with his punches, I know someone else who is quite skinny but his hits HURT alot because they are fast and accurate and he has big knuckles. Strength is by no means everything. Most people want big muscles because they look good, not because they have any use for them.

[Nick]

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The faster a punch goes, the hard it'll hit. Also, using your entire body works. I remember seeing a fight between two kids when I was in seventh grade... It looked rediculous to me at the time, because I have been taking Karate since I was eight and I assumed everybody knew that a punch used your hips and legs too... but these guys were throwing punches with their arms only. Not even using their shoulders and pounding each other in the forehead.

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[Kingston]

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Originally posted by Nick
[B]The faster a punch goes, the hard it'll hit. B]

not true......

[Nick]

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So you're saying if I through a perfect jab at fifty miles an hour, then through another jab the exact same way at one hundred miles an hour, the hundred mile an hour jab wouldn't necessarily hit harder, even though I threw both of them the exact same way? Why is that?

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[Toudiyama]

Have to agree with Nick on that, the only variable mentioned was speed he didn't say that the one punching the fastest hits the hardest because that would be untrue

[Tom Yum]

Speed doesn't necessarily mean power. Some boxers hit rapidly, but do not have KO power (as seen in the lighter weight classes). Boxers with fast hands and good footwork rely on ring strategy (ex. where am I in the ring? how can I get in, score points and get out?) Not saying they can't hit hard, but they are not known for KO punches.

Some boxers lack speed but can slug it out (i.e David Tua). He is not known for his defensive foot work or speed; he comes in and swings for the fences.

Yet others have both speed and power (Tyson in the mid-80's). Their speed gives them tremendous defence and their power is devastating.

[ryanhall]

So you're saying if I through a perfect jab at fifty miles an hour, then through another jab the exact same way at one hundred miles an hour, the hundred mile an hour jab wouldn't necessarily hit harder, even though I threw both of them the exact same way? Why is that?

My jab moves faster than my cross, but the power difference is huge. Same goes for the front hook versus the rear hook. Weight transfer determines power. Speed is a factor as well, but it secondary to how you throw your weight behind the shot.

[Nick]

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But if I threw my cross fast, than even faster, the latter punch would hit harder, right?

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[ryanhall]

Not if your weight isn't behind it. Stop arguing in circles. By your logic, the jab should be the heaviest punch because it moves the fastest.

[platinum_angel]

you wannna know why all the kids these days are so damn big. because all they eat are fat and shit. then they get fatter then whale. my whole family's like that and it makes me sick. i watch my diet all the time. i don't have ranch on my salad but i have olive oil. i haven't drunk a pop in about 5 months. alchohol is a different story. i eat deli sandwiches and shiet like that.

[Patrick G.]

Re: I've been browsing the board and i see questions and imcompletes in bits and pieces..

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
from sprawling to fainting to...

i think u mean feinting... BIG difference!

[darrianation]

I agree with the things crazy is saying about traditional arts IE. Karate (among others) falling short on self defense, and they are definitely not complete systems no matter what line they are giving you.

Cross training is a good idea. Thai boxing, western boxing, JJ are great and complementary. Now we are talking complete. Some systems exist and basically teach all or most of these such as MMA systems. So you don’t have to go to different schools and have teachers/coaches/instructors etc telling you to stop doing it that way, and that’s wrong, do it this way. I’d get that all the time when I took more than one MA at a time, or even when I went from one system to another.

As for speeding it up? I don’t know about that. The student needs to learn the basics and get good re-enforcement of those techniques before moving on to more advanced stuff. The student should know how to throw a good round kick before learning the jump round kick, or to jab before learning the spinning back fist. Same goes for grappling. The student should learn how to fall correctly before learning advanced throws, right? Any good teacher will teach basic concepts allow the student to grasp and become competent before adding more concepts. A teacher builds his students knowledge precept upon precept, Milk before meat.

Some students are ready to move on before other students are, but as part of class instruction the instructor sometimes has to wait for the other students to catch up. This can be frustrating to the student who is ahead of his peers. The instructor needs to do something to save this student from leaving the school. He could offer beginner, intermediate, and advanced classes and move that student to a higher class or private lessons. However not all instructors are full time and have other jobs and teaching 2 or 3 different classes may not be practical for him. The student either needs to be patient or move on.

Anyway some people might just want to compete and don’t care about a complete system that has good self defense applications and there is nothing wrong with that. If you want to be a boxer and that’s all then you don’t need to cross train in other MA.

[Nick]

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I'm not saying the jab's the hardest punch... I'm just trying to say that the faster you throw a punch, the harder it hits... obviously a jab is weaker than a cross, but the faster you throw the jab the harder that jab will hit... you know, like when you drop a penny off the empire state building -- it's small, but since it's going so fast it can cause a lot of damage when it hits. Obviously, if you dropped a brick off the same building it would hit harder than the penny, because it's heavier.

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