The Karatekas Have Taken Over The Asylum.

[CHOKE UK]

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
I dropped a dog on a Karate guy and knocked him out..


True story.. suckas for faint punches..

Joe, I bet it knocked the "shitsu" out of him ?

[brokenelbow]

Broken elbow what do you mean by practical blocks?

The problem with what people think are blocks are usually demonstrated without moving the body. As I've been taught whenever you block you better be moving in, backward or to the outside of the attack. If you don't he's going to throw his next move and either hit you or go into a trading of strikes and blocks with you reacting rather than controlling. Not good.

If you are going to make karate practical for self defence you mustn't forget to include some proper ground fighting and grappling.

Yeah does need more ground fighting but it always had grappling. Check out Funikoshis Karate-Jitsu book at your local bookstore and check out the couple of throws he included.

but then of coarse it wouldn't be karate would it.

Why? If you do Muay Thai and learn a little BJJ does that mean you're no longer a Muay Thai fighter and all your moves are no longer Muay Thai?

[Lizard]

I would advise anyone who does karate, shotokan in particular to have a look at the following website: http://www.24fightingchickens.com/sh.../mu/index.html

[Lizard]

Or if you are thinking about taking up shotokan karate or any other martial art: http://www.24fightingchickens.com/sh...101/index.html

[brokenelbow]

His essay on kata turned is excellent. While I don't agree with it all it is still worth reading.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by
Funnily enough I don't think it wold take much to make Karate one of the best self defence arts.

Firstly, train the specialised hand strikes (palm heel, knife hand, finger jabs etc), knees, elbows and low kicks.

Secondly, train in a more fluid manner, forgetting traditional blocks.

Thirdly, hit pads and bags to develop power.

Fourth, forget Kata and walking up and down the dojo.

Fifth, definitely forget that "we don't hit first" nonsense.


Then it could be worth something.

Appart from point 4 we did all that, the kicking shields, the fluid combinations, the stepping away from Karate ni sentenashi( no first attack) well actually the last isn't completely true but first attack in japanese budo and karate is a bit vaque, if he intends to attack and you attack before he moves, it is not considdered a first attack

All that was discribed sounds as Shotokan again, and a school that misinterprets things, It was never to be that you only make one attack and no combinations, it was to make shure that any attack was made as if the finishing blow so full force
In the past (and still at some places) black belts started their own school without any special training, this ofcoarse has happened more with the popular styles like Shotokan
A lot of these guys who started these schools did so for themselves, either to somehow show off or to make money but not because they really wanted to teach(in normal life not a lot of people want to become teacher in MA a lot more do)

A central organisation with coverment recognition can help to root out the phoneys and boost the level of the teachers


Last remark

In a lot of schools ( Wado for shure) knifedefences are a stylized training method tyeaching you some principle ways of moving the body rather than teaching a real life knifedefence. Wado has Tanto dori, To dori and Idori being knife defence, sword defence and kneeled/seated techniques. These excercises for instance teach you to overcome the instinct to step back when being attacked

Strange thing even though Wado training tends to be practical(appart from the above mentioned excercises) the founder didn't see it as a way to defend you self, for instance on hitting the makiwara he would reply "Why damage your hands for a fight that might never come in your life"

"the assylum has been taken over" Only for now in a couple of years we will look at the now popular arts and see that they have the same problem of unqualified people teaching and f*cking up the art
"the assylum has been taken over" but there are already people knocking on our door.