A good first art

[CHOKE UK]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red Gorilla 73
[B]Ari,

You have well thought out responses and what seems to be a great knowledge of KM and martial arts in general.
However I recently moved back to Atlanta from LA and when I went to check out the KM headquarters in West LA I found them to be a joke.





The red gorilla speaks the truth !
That Ari has well thought out replies,
this forum has no place for such a figure!
(you'll only high light our inadequacies!)

So.......
Go, go while you still can,
leave now,
move swiftly,
stop for nothing
But remember..... stick to the path,
Oh and beware the full moon !
...and may your god be with you !

[Red Gorilla 73]

Too funny Choke UK, I have no problem being mindless and keeping the posts to maybe 5 lines or less. If people want to write a book then this is the wrong place...

"Now go train Jiu Jitsu"

[CHOKE UK]

Red,
LOL

But it's too late to train jui jitsu mate !
This is the hour that the "walking dead" are out and about !

All the f--king Jui jitsu you like wont help you with them !

However KM, that might help ?
And if that dont work,
then ARI's can stun them with his intelligent conversation !

[Ha_ari]

RG,

Thanx for the compliments. Well, like anything else, KM is a business, probably more so at the National Training Center than elsewhere, but I can't defend the 'girl at the front desk.'

I will say that she is not wrong: KM is more than just MT+BJJ. It borrows from both, to be sure, but I hope some of the differences (mentality and weapons defenses) I've tried to explain in this thread have come through.

I've never actually been to the NTC, so I really don't know much of what goes on there, especially at the front desk.

I'll try to be far less coherent and rational in when posting the future, I promise.

[Lost Ronin]

Lots of good points here...

I advocated for the study of Krav Maga earlier because I think that it is a good style for self-defense. But, I have to agree with many of the guys here in the sense that Krav Maga is turning into the "new Tae Kwon Do" (no offense meant to any TKD practicioners.) We all know that many schools only operate for the money. Well, that's what's happening to Krav Maga, I was curious about Krav Maga, so I visited a TKD dojang where they also taught Krav Maga, you needed three classes to become "certified" in it! Not all places teach just for the sake of money, but many do in fact, and that's why most people don't take Krav Maga seriously. I'm not an authority on Krav Maga of any sort, but I have seen some of the curriculum and I think that it could easily be added to anyone's repertoire. It is worthy of investment, but IMO just to supplement your knowledge of self defense. Apart from that, I stick to a core of Muay Thai, Wrestling and BJJ.

[Ha_ari]

Ronin,

I actually don't disagree with you. I've been fortunate enough to train at a place for the past fourteen months which takes the self-defense aspect of KM VERY seriously, which is why I've argued in this thread that it is an excellent combat and self-defense system if taught properly.

But, I'm moving to a city where the only place that teaches KM does so in, IMO, in some of the questionable ways you mention (though I don't know what the "certification" you're talking about regards), and so I'm ready, to my chagrin, to move on and train other MAs (I've already started BJJ, and hope to add some combination of MT/JKD, depending on time).

[Tom Yum]

KM is becoming very trendy; especially among women that do tae bo. Its a pretty good system and is better than nothing - the moves seem effective, but are they practised against larger, faster and stronger opponents who are resisting and attempting to make short work of you?

I find it hard to deal with the strength, power of those who are larger than I in boxing & MT. My hand speed and footwork are the only thing going for me against bigger fighters; I know that I can hit fast and hard, but in the end the laws of physics don't work in my favor.

I think any system that teaches self-defense should occasionally be practiced in a realistic situation, where someone bigger and stronger tries to get you in the corner and hit you. How would a KM practicioner react if a punch were to slip past their guard and hit them on the chin or in the kidneys?

[Ha_ari]

Tom,

Once you get into Level 2 in KM, the full-contact sparring begins, and I've already done at least three months of full contact sparring. So I think the answer to your question is "yes"--KM does encourage practice against people larger and stronger than you who are trying to take you out.

As I've stated in this thread, KM incorporates scenario based training, which differentiates it from most other combat systems that I have encountered (there are notable exceptions of course, like combat hapkido).

But, as you said yourself, it is certainly difficult, regardless of what system one trains in, I think, to deal with the strength and speed of a trained boxer/MT practitioner.

I'm not sure I entirely understand your post, though, b/c KM, if taught correctly, teaches and incorporates realistic attack scenarios better than almost any fighting system I have seen.

Both BJJ and MT are often, though admittedly not always, taught as sports--brutal and effective sports, but sports nonetheless. The self-defense system of KM is not a sport--the cardio adaptations of it are indeed popular, but the defense techniques themselves are also, IMO, brutal and effective.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

[ryta1203]

Im sorry, I just had to say what a steriod abusing jackass I think Choke UK is. Train so that you don't have to fight. Too many JKD, MT, BJJ dudes on this site. Wierd. Go to the ground BJJ dudes with me and my friend, and you will get your skull cracked open. Fighting means no ring, no rules.

[Benjamin Dover]

LOL!!! I can't believe someone would recommend Tai Chi to a person looking for self defense?!?! What world do you live in? Maybe...you could use it to fight off Tony Robbins. That is the most ludicrous piece of advice I have ever heard. I sincerely hope that this individual is not an instructor.

"OK class....now remember...when your life is in mortal danger close your eyes, take three deep breaths and assume your fighting stance".

This individual obviously has never been in the ring

[Szczepankiewicz]

This individual obviously has never been in the ring

And here I went on and on thinking that self defense and sport fighting were not the same thing. Thanks for setting me straight.


How come all you other guys let me go on believing in these foolish lies of mine?

So the UFC really does prove what's the best!

HA!

I knew it!!!

[ryta1203]

I just couldn't possibly agree with you more. Real fighting, is not RING fighting.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Bollocks.

My new best buddy with the clever Canadian nickname says it's so.

You wanna see true self defense all you gotta do is get pay-per-view!

[Benjamin Dover]

And here I went on and on thinking that self defense and sport fighting were not the same thing. Thanks for setting me straight.

Hmmm...do you just practice in the air?!?! Ring/sport fighters use this venue to improve timing and distancing against a resisting opponent. 90% of ring moves are employable on the street. As long as a ring fighter adapts to the street situation he will do much better than someone who practices in the air, Tai Chi boy.

Why don't you use your Tai Chi in a self defense situation?, LOL!!! I'm sure you could beat a ring fighter. It is the method of training. Do you not spar? Or do you practice in the air? Practicing in the air and working technique is good but now it has to be employed as a skill. Hence, sparring or ring fighting.

You are delusional if you think you can employ the moves you practice in the air if you have never used them against a resisting opponent. It's like practicing Judo and Brazilian Jujitsu moves by yourself and thinking that you can use them for real against a resisting opponent.

Anyway just use your Tai Chi footwork on the street, hahaha!

[Szczepankiewicz]