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  • #16
    Look at what they did to china, and how they treated the phillipino, and american pows.


    With all respect american troops didn't behave very well too during the sack of Beijing
    ..... and in the Philippines it was far worse....

    A little sample:
    At Balangiga, on October 23, 1901, Brigadier General Jacob Smith ordered a battalion of 300 U.S. Marines, under the command of then Major Littleton W. Waller, to make Samar "a howling wilderness". "I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, and the more you kill and burn the better you will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States," declared Smith. He set the minimum age limit at ten.


    and this was taken from a report of the University of Hawai:

    .....
    The first case of massive and extensive democide was during the Philippine War, which the United States fought to takeover the Philippines from a newly independent Filipino government and pro-independence guerrilla forces (lines 47 to 89). With the approval, if not under the command of their officers, American soldiers widely used torture, and often shot their prisoners and surrendering guerrillas. Moreover, as a military strategy American forces laid waste to inhabited areas of guerrilla infested island areas, destroying villages and killing many civilians in the process. Surviving civilians were often driven into camps or controlled villages, where conditions deteriorated such that many died from hunger and disease (e.g., line 61).

    Numerous letters from soldiers and other first hand reports during the war attest to the responsibility of the American Army for thousands of deaths. Estimates of the number for particular campaigns, such as on Luzon or the Visayas Islands are difficult to find. Indeed, the Philippine War seems to have dropped into a memory hole (it is rarely even recognized as a colonial or imperial war--American war-deaths in the Philippines are usually classified under the Spanish-American War). The table presents the few mortality figures I could find. If possible I classify and consolidate the estimates of primarily civilian deaths by province, as for Batangas province (lines 55 to 62); and Island, as for Luzon overall (lines 64 to 70). Separately I also give the overall estimates (lines 76 to 80). The consolidation of these (line 81) I then compare to the sum of the province/island totals (lines 81 and 82), and combine them into a final range (line 83) in the usual manner.

    Next I list the only two large, democide related, estimates I could find (lines 87 and 88--scattered throughout the literature, often in the letters home of American soldiers, there are accounts of the murder of several to a few dozen Filipinos). The problem, then, is to estimate a reasonable overall democide, given the range of total deaths already determined above. Based on several works on the war1 and taking account of General Bell's claim that on Luzon alone one-sixth of the population was killed, or about 600,000 Filipinos, 2 I assume that 10 to 50 percent of Filipino deaths were due to American democide, with 25 percent as the most prudent guess. Calculating these percentages in the table (line 89), I get a democide range of 25,000 to 487,000 (showing the huge uncertainty involved), with a central estimate of 128,000 murdered

    To keep their people in line and to punish collaborators, Filipinos also committed democide, particularly the pro-independence guerrillas. This was, however, at a comparatively low level. I give an estimated range in the table (line 92) that seems consistent with the sources.
    ..........

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    • #17
      As all my ex-girlfriends can attest, I like to love.
      Anyways everybody screws everybody. Americans, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Germans whatever. Everybody in all of those countries has had some kind of trial for war crimes...wait a minute...everybody except the U.S. Now why is that? Everytime somebody wants to try us we just reach into our backpocket and say "Oops, I think we are going to be late in paying your bills." Hell we have a family friend here who served in Vietnam who can tell you a lot of crazy stories about the crimes they commited there. The funniest is the fact that they were stealing oil and shipping it elsewhere. That and the story of when they all got drunk and shot at mountain gorrilas thinking charlie in the bush.

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      • #18
        Well handtohand first of all I did not say it is the fault of all american peoples... a lot of them were actually opposed to the invasion of the Philippines...

        General Reeve, lately Colonel of the Thirteenth Minnesota Regiment:
        "I deprecate this war, this slaughter of our own boys and of the Filipinos, because it seems to me that we are doing something that is contrary to our principles in the past. Certainly we are doing something that we should have shrunk from not so very long ago."
        .....

        You say that letters attest to thousands of deaths, was this enemy deaths, civilian deaths, or all the figures combined?

        You saw that there were 600,000 deaths, i am courious as to how come this has never had been picked up and been mentioned by hippies and their ilk in the 60s.
        All figures combined have a look at the Hawai University report and also bondoknet, I think around 20 000 soldiers but thousands of POWs were
        executed many after being tortured... I should find a report on POW's executions and torture...

        Private Fred B. Hinchman, Company A, United States Engineers, writes from Manila, February 22d:

        "At 1:30 o'clock the general gave me a memorandum with regard to sending out a Tennessee battalion to the line. He tersely put it that 'they were looking for a fight.' At the Puente Colgante (suspension bridge) I met one of our company, who told me that the Fourteenth and Washingtons were driving all before them, and taking no prisoners. This is now our rule of procedure for cause. After delivering my message I had not walked a block when I heard shots down the street. Hurrying forward, I found a group of our men taking pot-shots across the river, into a bamboo thicket, at about 1,200 yards. I longed to join them, but had my reply to take back, and that, of course, was the first thing to attend to. I reached the office at 3 P.M., just in time to see a platoon of the Washingtons, with about fifty prisoners, who had been taken before they learned how not to take them."

        Sergeant Will A. Rule, Co. H, Colorado Volunteers:

        "When you can realize four hundred or five hundred persons living within the confines of five or six blocks, and then an order calling out all of the women and children, and then setting fire to houses and shooting down any niggers attempting to escape from the flames, you have an idea of Filipino warfare."
        The vast majority were civilians who died in concentration camps or were executed..... and I've seen higher numbers in a filipino report.....
        The hippies probably didn't know and they had already Vietnam...



        It wasn't during the american-mexican war but started in 1898: the filipinos revolted against the spaniards, defeated them and proclamed the filipino republic... america needed a colony in the region and decided to invade the country....
        There were I think over 1000000 deaths, mostly civilians....
        The Philippines are far from being independent from US influence and filipinos still suffer from biased economic-military policies taken against them.....

        University of Hawai:

        R.J. Rummel, Democide, mass murder, killed, death, terrorism, bombing, American, United States, lynching, prisoners of war, Vietnam War, Nazi Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Laos, libertarianism, freedom, democracy, liberal democracy, human rights, civil liberties, Nazis, human rights, civil liberties, humanism, political system, racism, African-Americans, bombing, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, atomic bombs, burning alive, war, violence, Geneva Convention, strategic bombing, urban bombing



        most extensive with statistics, pictures:



        also have a look at:

        Latest news coverage, email, free stock quotes, live scores and video are just the beginning. Discover more every day at Yahoo!




        you wil find references for books, pictures, statistics there... I have my own books but hadn't enough time to look for them....


        Even if it is true we have committed atrocities in the past but as a whole our wars throughout the 20th centuary have the most humanely waged ones in history.
        Not in the Philippines and surely not in Vietnam (agent orange, napalm, civilian massacres).... US foreign policy wasn't/isn't usually in the interest of peoples of the thirld war ... an american fma friend was also in Kuwait as a commando (died from leucemiah since) wasn't also really proud of some things he did during gulf storm......

        Here is some stuff of backed massacres in Indonesia (estimates: 500000-3000000):

        ...in four months,
        five times as many
        people died in
        Indonesia as in
        Vietnam in
        twelve years."
        -- Bertrand Russell, 1966

        Good report with picture: http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html

        The massacres went on in Timor in 1975 (200000 deaths, The invasion took place just hours after U.S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger visited General Suharto in the Indonesian capital of Jakarta. While the international community protested, the U.S. government doubled military aid to Indonesia and prevented the United Nations from taking effective action against Suharto.[

        Good to read from the worldpolicy institute: :http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/...001.htm#etimor

        In 1975, with the Portuguese colonial government in disarray and left-wing Fretilin guerrilas appearing to have the upper hand, Indonesia invaded East Timor shortly after a visit to Indoneisa by Henry Kissinger. In 1976, Indonesia declared East Timor to be its 26th province. 1981

        A Catholic missionary provided an eyewitness account of one search-and-destroy mission in East Timor in 1981. "We saw with our own eyes the massacre of the people who were surrendering: all dead, even women and children, even the littlest ones. ... Not even pregnant women were spared: they were cut open. .... They did what they had done to small children the previous year, grabbing them by the legs and smashing their heads against rocks. ... The comments of Indonesian officers reveal the moral character of this army: 'We did the same thing [in 1965] in Java, in Borneo, in the Celebes, in Irian Jaya, and it worked." [See A. Barbedo de Magalhaes, East Timor: Land of Hope.] The references to the success of the 1965 slaughter were not unusual. In Timor: A People Betrayed, author James Dunn noted that "on the Indonesian side, there have been many reports that many soldiers viewed their operation as a further phase in the ongoing campaign to suppress communism that had followed the events of September 1965." Classic psy-war and pacification strategies were followed to the hilt in East Timor. The Indonesians put on display corpses and the heads of their victims. Timorese also were herded into government-controlled camps before permanent relocation in "resettlement villages" far from their original homes. Peter Dale Scott, "Two Indonesias, Two Americas", June 9, 1998, The Consortium for Independent Journalism

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        • #19
          Originally posted by HandtoHand
          As far as veitnam goes civilian massacures were rare, but they did happen and there are always civilian causalties, durning bombing areas. In the case of defoliating the jungle with napalm if people were in there they werent supposed to be, and F**k the animals.

          At the time we though Agent Oranage was safe and we even had psycops teams that would eat thing with agent orange in them and stuff to convince them that it wasnt hazardous.

          Anyways we have done many not so nice things, but compared to what? Yes this is callous but compared to most other nations we are one of the most humane ones around.

          There were lots of civilian massacres in Vietnam.... and not only during bombings....

          Read Chikenhawks by Robert Mason....

          or Tour of duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam war...

          In this book Kerry recorded every detail of his missions in the Mekong river and his growing disgust with military assaults on Vietnamese fishermen and farmers “that betrayed the very reason that we were supposed to be there,” he wrote....

          The U.S. also employed vast quantities of the cruellest weaponry, including phosphorus and fragmentation bombs, napalm....

          In the case of defoliating the jungle with napalm if people were in there they werent supposed to be, and F**k the animals.
          Why where there US troops to threw napalm at the vietnamese peoples?
          Did the vietnamese invade the US and drop napalm on it's citizen?
          I would like to know what americans would have thought if napalm has been thrown
          on them......There was no moral justification to do this and to be in Vietnam in the firts place......

          The United States in the years following World War II denied the Vietnamese their right of self-determination, because it was incompatible with western control. The United States and England supported French reoccupation of its former colony during 1945-54. After they were once again thrown out, the U.S. refused to abide by the Geneva Accords of 1954 which stipulated the unification of Vietnam through free elections.

          It was widely acknowledged at that time, and later even by the U.S., that the great majority of Vietnamese in both the southern and northern sections of the country supported Ho Chi Minh and his party. But the United States, ignored the Geneva Accords, the rights of the Vietnamese, and the U.N. Charter by installing a dictator of its choice in what came to be known as South Vietnam. Legally and morally, however, there was never more than one Vietnam.

          What followed was one of the most vicious and cowardly wars in history. The greatest military power on earth, with the most technologically advanced arsenal, concentrated its full power against a poor peasant society lacking aircraft or a modern technological base. It dropped millions of tons of bombs on Indochina, raining napalm and fragmentation bombs on hundreds of peasant villages that lacked medical facilities, and used massive quantities of defoliants to destroy forests and crops. Large areas of South Vietnam were designated as "free fire zones" where thousands of peasants were shot in the course of military operations, or just for fun on "skunk hunts."

          This included the establishment of concentration camps ("strategic hamlets") in an attempt to control the rural population LIKE IN THE PHILIPPINES........
          Actually most of the counterinsurgency techniques used in Vietnam were first dicovered/tested in the Philippines..... Read "Philippines:the continuing past" by Renato Constantino.....

          At the time we though Agent Oranage was safe and we even had psycops teams that would eat thing with agent orange in them and stuff to convince them that it wasnt hazardous.
          Stuff like that and other was tested by the military on it's own troops.....
          It went on even in operation gulf storm, some pills were given to soldiers who later died from the after effects...

          Anyways we have done many not so nice things, but compared to what? Yes this is callous but compared to most other nations we are one of the most humane ones around.
          History is written by the winners.....
          Every nation with a colonial past has the blood of innocent's on it's hands, America, Japan, Russia, France, Spain, England, Germany.....
          The peoples of South and Central America, South East Asia, Africa certainly don't agree that US foreign policies were most humane toward them.....

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          • #20
            Back to a less serious topic, I actually tend to avoid streetfights nowadays.....
            You never know where a fight ends and the last two I was in invoved weapons....

            Beating up peoples never made me feel better.... much better to have some quality time and fight in the bed

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            • #21
              Originally posted by HandtoHand
              Okay the japs .
              Hey. The word is "Japanese". Let's watch the slurs kid.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HandtoHand
                Okay i have scottish, brittish, irish, and much more blood in me, and i dont care is somebody calls the irish drunks, or makes fun of any of the above. I dont care is people call whites crackers or call people wasps,

                I don't care about your bloodline or your personal preferences. Watch what you say.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by HandtoHand
                  I usually do, but my whole point is that people are too uptight about racial slurs and the like. What i was saying is that i laugh at jokes of irish people being drunks, and the like. Also i wouldnt even considder jap a slur, it is just radio short talk.

                  :
                  Call yourself whatever you want. Call other people whatever they want. Don't learn the hard way.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by HandtoHand
                    Phosphorus is basically used as an incindary and has been used for many things, but frag bombs frag just like frag grenades, which other nations have used by some time. Besides i dont think getting shot, cut up, burned or any aspect of war to the causulties is humane. But please dont tell me that you think that pujii pits (stakes dippen in shit), and booby traps were humane either, but i cant help noticing that you omitted, that. After all the objective of much of the vc aresonal was to maim, while most of our was to kill. To kill quickly is much more humane.

                    As far as Kerry goes i dont trust anything that, that man says.




                    Well you have already prooven that you have no knowladge of the mean nasty weapons, napalm is a mixture of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene and cannot be thrown, because it sticks to everything. Yes there are flame throwers but you dont throw napalm on people it was used in flame throwers, and bombs.



                    The united states didnt do this, the french did they controled that area and how did we support them. Yes sent in special forces advisers after they lost but we didnt do that. How did we fail to adbide by the geneva accords? We werent enforcing them it was the Veitnamease that were disobeying them.



                    We didnt install a dictor of our choice diem was already there, and the north south were already divided.




                    On of the most vicious wars in history, lol the romans killed more than 1/3 of a population that they subjagated. I have never seen documentation of widespread documentation of lots of widespread civilian massaucres. Please try and destinguish movies from reality, and also the whole idea was to prevent the soviets from gaining another communist foothold.



                    To a certain extent history is written by the winners but the romans werent able to erase the fact that the killed 1/3 of the subjacated population. The knowladge that the romans persecuted the jews wasnt lost, even though the romans won.

                    Pilots were given pills, it is true that sometimes on long missions sometimes pilots are given types of amphetamines to keep them awake, but this is because there arent enough pilots because of lybryl morons like you who try to go and shrink the military. And no most rouge experimentations done by the military were in the 60s and the 50s.

                    Anyways let me see if i get a basic profile of you;
                    You are a young male looking for a cause, and thinks that they can solve all of the problems of the world, most of which are the United States fault. You want to fix something that isnt broke. The world is lucky to have you and your generation can make a difference. You would like to have a smaller military but insist on using them to provide humantarian aid, and peace keep every sing conflict. You dont want the United States to be the most powerful nation, but when it isnt you will be upset that tiny say that you had will be lost. You think that the United Nations which has rulers from most contries cant to anything wrong, even though most countries are ruled but thugs, dictators, kings, tyrants, and the united nations is composed of all thease nations.

                    You probally think that landmines are mean and that if we stop using them then our enemies will also. And most importantly you are probally come from a family that is reasonablly well off, mabey your parrents are burned out hippies, who threw moltov coctails at police and yet cry about police brutality. You probally have little experience fighting and are a wimp which is exactly you do some martail art, but you probally havent dewimpified your self and expect mere knowladge of techniques to magically protect you. You probally also have little real world experience.

                    Well i could go on and on but i have gotten bored, now you may say that i was completely off base and mabey i was but i think i got your number.

                    Actually your comments on my familly's background and myself me gave me a very good laugh ....

                    but this wasn't funny.....

                    You probally think that landmines are mean and that if we stop using them then our enemies will also.



                    Your post clearly shows that you have a very poor understanding of world's affair and your own country's history..... In my opinion you are completely brainwashed..... you seriously need to read some history books to put something into your skull....

                    Anyway you don't seem to understand what the word moron means, for your culture as peoples will often call you that name:

                    MORON
                    From the American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

                    SYLLABICATION: mo·ron
                    PRONUNCIATION: môrn, mr-
                    NOUN: 1. A stupid person; a dolt. 2. Psychology A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
                    ETYMOLOGY: From Greek mron, neuter of mros, stupid, foolish.
                    OTHER FORMS: mo·ronic (m-rnk, mô-) —ADJECTIVE
                    mo·roni·cal·ly —ADVERB
                    moronism, mo·roni·ty (m-rn-t, mô-) —NOUN


                    So wait until you reach mental age 13 before talking politics.... This may take time but be patient with proper counseling there is still hope for you......On a second thought don't even post your comments here.....
                    Anyway if you don't pass the army's entrance tests considering the honorable profession of clown may be a good alternative.... no doubt you'll be very successfull.

                    Respectfully.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by HandtoHand
                      LOL, so you didnt dispute anything that i said, you just started insulting me, now insulting and disputing that different. But if you are just insulting it means that you have no other recourse because you have verbally just gotten your ass kicked.
                      , I was wrong it may be too late for conseiling...... I didn't didpute anything because all you said is complete bs and it would take too long to make you understand because you don't want to understand.... any academic book on the war will confirm what I said.....
                      If you don't want to read books have a look at this

                      Former Emperor Bao Dai had appointed Ngo Dinh Diem, a Vietnamese Catholic who had lived in the U.S. and Europe, Premier of South Vietnam. Though Vietnam was 95% Buddhist, the Catholic Diem was soon recognized as the future leader of Vietnam by the CIA and other U.S. interests. In 1956 the U.S. refused to go along with the promised nation-wide elections because, in the words of President Eisenhower, "Possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather than Chief of State Bao Dai."

                      (taken from the Vietnam Veterans Against the war website http://www.vvaw.org/about/warhistory.php .)

                      You may argue these veterans were communists but have also a look at:

                      Eisenhower's Views on the Popularity of Ho Chi Minh

                      Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372

                      I am convinced that the French could not win the war because the internal political situation in Vietnam, weak and confused, badly weakened their military position. I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather than Chief of State Bao Dai. Indeed, the lack of leadership and drive on the part of Bao Dai was a factor in the feeling prevalent among Vietnamese that they had nothing to fight for. As one Frenchman said to me, "What Vietnam needs is another Syngman Rhee, regardless of all the difficulties the presence of such a personality would entail."


                      And the Veterans Museum- (do you also think this is communist propaganda?, man there must be a formidable number of communists surrounding you....):

                      Principal sources of information for the figures, explanatory text and illustrations appearing below include the National Archives and Records Administration; U.S. Navy Historical Center; Department of Defense; Department of Veterans Affairs; and The Oxford Companion to American Military History, from which all quotations are taken.

                      Vietnam War, 1964 - 1973

                      Beginning with modest steps as early as May 1950, when President Truman provided military and economic aid to the French effort to retain their colonial control of Indochina, the United States became increasingly involved in a difficult, distant war that did not end until 1973. The French were defeated in 1954 by the Vietnamese Nationalist Army--the Communist-led Vietminh. At a peace conference later that year in Geneva, Ho Chi Minh obliged France to allow him to establish Communist control north of the 17th parallel while a non-Communist government would rule south of that line. According to the agreement that emerged from the conference, countrywide elections were to follow in two years' time whereby all the people of Vietnam would either unite under Ho Chi Minh's government or leave the country permanently divided. The United States, a participant in the peace conference, never accepted its outcome, and acted in concert with the government of the south to prevent the election from ever taking place. President Eisenhower himself acknowledged that, had the Vietnamese people been allowed to express themselves at the polls under the terms of the agreement, "'Ho Chi Minh would have won 80 percent of the vote'--and no U.S. president wanted to lose a country to communism."

                      80% of the Vietnamese in the south were against Ngo Diem and the american presence! The US governement supported him and helped him to stay in power (but later found a way to eliminate him as he became a nuisance) against the will of the Vietnamese peoples..... through this puppet they found a way to go against the Geneva accords....

                      And the list goes on for every lousy argument you presented.....
                      I won't even discuss the weapon issues as this would be grotesque....

                      And oh yes i'll pass the army's entry tests, i know that you are afraid that one day on a mission deap in enemy territory i will run accross you and slit your throat you communist bastard. JK although it wouldnt supprise me if i run into you in some 3rd world hell hold, where you are a socalled protester serving as a front for violent criminals. So would you help me out and give me a discription of what you look like.
                      Ah comrade you will recognize me easily, I'll be the guy with the dog tag who's going to poach you slowly after taking you out of the pujii pit....


                      I didnt mean for the landmine comment to be funny, i ment it truthfully because many of your ilk actually think that, that is the case. Hear's a comparison, if cops start melting down their guns, and dont keep them criminals will melt theirs down also. Not that every sitituation always calls for guns but they are there as an option, a tool.

                      Also i have read many books on the military and cia, some of them anti and some of them pro. And i have heard about the mean nasty MJ12, and how the army usses high frequency radio weapons, mkultra, alien abductions, tge mossad using weapons on palestineans, and all that stuff. Some of the stuff is true like the mk ultra and high frequence radio weapons, but much of it is CRAP.
                      What about those soo nice KKK comics?


                      And oh yes just for the hell of it i will go and define what you are as of webster (i have american heritage talking dictionary but i dont want to bother putting in the cd).

                      Main Entry: ass·hole
                      Pronunciation: 'as-"(h)Ol
                      Function: noun
                      1 usually vulgar : ANUS
                      2 a usually vulgar : a stupid, incompetent, or detestable person b usually vulgar : a despicable place -- usually used in the phrase asshole of the universe

                      LOL, i mean defining moron was pretty funny, so i figgured for the laughs i would do the same. Although i am pretty sure that you actually ment for it to actually offend me. Oh my god you have offended me. AHHHH JK.
                      Take an aple and put in in your mouth, stick parsley in your nostrils, then cut your head off and serve it on a plate......

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by HandtoHand
                        I dont disagree that ho chi minh would probally have won the election and i didnt bother checking out your sources because it seams very probable the eisenhour said that. As far as that other stuff you said i dont find it convincing of anything, i am not disputing it i just thing it was a waste to even bother mentioning it.

                        Yes we didnt support support elections but there are pleanty of things in the world that we dont support that still go on.
                        That's very true....... and very unfortunate for the rest of the world....

                        Keep in mind that we took no action to organise, nor prevent elections. Yes diem was our man but recognised him as the leader we never prevented elections. We didnt orgainse them either we just remained inactive and did nothing.
                        Diem was installed first at prime minister at US insistence.... he then won very controvertial elections were a lot of dead peoples voted ....

                        Giving political and economic support, creating SEATO, using the CIA to give names of dissidents to the south vietnamese army...... and you say inactive and did nothing?

                        [QUOTE]
                        So anyways your books tell you that troops would take and "throw" napalm at civilians...Just what kinds of books are you reading? But you know what i must be full of shit to think that you dont scoop up napalm in icecream scoops and throw it at people.
                        [QUOTE]

                        Ah your main line of defense: saying to throw napalm instead of to drop napalm bombs......... ok you for the good sake to drop napalm bobms.... but don't you forget that US army used flame throwers banned by the Geneva convention to "throw" napalm?

                        I know i may even be a brainwashed moron but I'm not so stupid that i think that our involvment ended in 1973. Hello we were there until 1975, and we even had a raid on a pow camp in 1979, but the pows were moved before hand.
                        Good try to prove that you know history, so bad it failed ... what about involvement in Cambodia (who financed the Khmer Rouges you think?: In 1981, President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said, "I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol Pot." The US, he added, "winked publicly" as China sent arms to the Khmer Rouge through Thailand. ) to harass the vietnamese......
                        Besides economic sanctions were held until 1994......


                        Oh well i know that communism has done wonders for its countries, cuba, russia, former soviet republics, china, north korea, veitnam.
                        I never said that..... "communist" China quickly became a usefull friend from the 70's.....

                        Because we boosted the economy of many areas that our bases were in...No not firebases but major ones like in siagon.
                        Yeah like in the Philippines when the bases closed 55000-300000 prostitutes lost their jobs.....

                        Please dont tell me that we used sarin in veitnam agaisnt deserters and our enemies, because that has been claimed many times and disproven many times. Oh yes we must have transported in on Air America though...
                        Wasn't it VC gas?

                        I can see you are following my formula in how to make another feal stupid, but alas you have failed my son.


                        Note: In this instance i am not trying to make you feal stupid because i dont give a damn right now. I'm just playing with you right now, no not in that sense.
                        ah I didn't notice that, I feel reassured now....

                        If i didnt say that somebody would quote and make "disparraging remarks"...God forbid, although they will probally do it anyways because if they hadnt thought of it i have given them ideas. Oh well, what the hell.
                        Don't you worry bro, at the end of this thread I'll make the perfect hippie out of you..... your hair will grow long, you'll smoke pot and listen to the Doors while shadowboxing .....


                        Five to one, baby;
                        one in five.
                        No one here
                        gets out alive.
                        Now, you get yours, baby;
                        I'll get mine.
                        Gonna make it, baby,
                        if we try.

                        The old get old,
                        and the young get stronger;
                        may take a week,
                        and it may take longer.
                        They got the guns,
                        but we got the numbers.
                        Gonna win, yeah;
                        We're takin' over.
                        Come on!

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                        • #27
                          Well yes and no, prostitution is one of the many buisness that seams to follow around foreign military bases.
                          It is one of the cancers that follow the bases.....

                          Besides the prosititues had money and they spend it so they helped out other buisnesses.
                          Prostitutes don't receive the lion's share (if they get any money) from their trade.....
                          In thirld world countries many are sent or sold by their familly if not lured by fake employment promises into the prostitution business.......

                          Besides whats wrong with the worlds second oldest profession, honestly would you pick up on if you could do it with out risk of diesease and the like, and only pay ten bucks?
                          Prostitution is damaging women and children psychologically because it is about getting your body bought and used for other peoples satisfaction. To manage this grim reality one needs to develop psychological defence strategies that in the end have devastating effects on one's own sexuality and emotional life.

                          Strongest action needs to be taken against the flesh trade. The millions of girls and women annually forced, and coerced, into lives of indentured servitude, permeated with physical, sexual, and psychological abuse demand action....
                          This misery outweighs the right of men to pay for sex and the right of women to receive money for sex.......

                          honestly would you pick up on if you could do it with out risk of diesease and the like, and only pay ten bucks?
                          I would never pay even one single cent......

                          Real men don't need to pay for sex..... Besides where is the pleasure of conquest if you just pay? There is no point to pay for something one can get for free....
                          I rather like to believe that I should get paid .....

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                          • #28
                            . Anyways bases do boost local economies through other measures, and there are far more positive benifits than negative ones.
                            Yeah may boost local economies on the short time, then comes kickback: possible chemical-nuclear decontamination (in the hundred of billions in the P.I.), drugs, the political cost ....

                            What about regulated prostitution in nevada, and sections of europe?
                            Very contraversial..... unlikely to get accepted in most countries/states....

                            But you think that you can get sex for free? You have much to learn my son; You pay one way or another.
                            Things seem to work pretty well in the opposite direction for me ....
                            Are you a moralist or just frustrated ?

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                            • #29
                              My first goal is live to love and if I can avoid fighting, then cool, if not then fight as I must. If you learn to docus your emotions, including strong emotions, you can tend to unlock a higher amount of fighting potential. But if you are always fighting trying to big Mr Bad, then a lot of people will think of you arrogant and will thrive on trying to knock you off your horse. So I think to live to love is the better of the choices.

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                              • #30
                                Hey Krys where you been, i was beginning to think that you ran away after i e-wooped yor ass. jk
                                I was busy recruiting peoples for the hippie cause .....

                                Well nuclear contamination at military sites is rare, that usually happens at energy department sites, because they are the ones who build nuclear warhead. Yes there frequently is chemical containimation as a result of those sites, but polution is usually worse at old industrial facalities. Granted some pollution is inevatible as a result live fire exercises, but if wells are monitered and the region is isolated geographically the problem isnt significant. As far as drug and the political cost go, huh.
                                There is radioactive polution resulting from the use of amunition that contains uranium... actually in the former Clark and Subic bases hundred of peoples died from the effects of chemical and radioactive pollution and countless children were born with deffects.... it would cost billions of $ to clean the area....

                                Drugs are going on with prostitution and bases.....


                                Political cost:

                                Imagine country U is very powerfull and really needs these bases in poor and unstable country P.... country U will do anything to keep these bases therefore putting/keeping in power the politicians who will be favorable to it's interest and removing those who will work against the military presence..... this may involve coercition of political leaders, financing political parties, financing rebel groups to put pressure on the governemnt, corrupting the military leadership.......


                                jk What i mean is your gf prys you to buy her stuff, you have to do valentine crap, and once you get married then you are really f**ked.
                                Most of the girls I've been with didn't ask for much stuff and anyway I wouldn't have spent more than for drinks, movies...as I wasn't interested in long term relationships at that time but rather in the numbers....
                                But I know what you mean, my fiance is japanese and very well off, she doesn't ask me to buy her gifts but it makes me sweat when she tells me where we should go out .

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