boxers, are they really tough as they say they are?

[ewod]

what does everyone think of boxing when they watch it? do you think they would last against a martial artist or even a kickboxer or muay thai kickboxer for that matter in the ring? did anyone know that seagal once challenged boxer lennox lewis to a fight and he declined? I also heard that rickson gracie put up one million dollars and offered a challenge to mike tyson to fight him...rickson would kill tyson...I wonder if tyson will ever accept ricksons offer...gene lebell beat up a boxer back in the 60s I think...I think martial artists/kickboxers could kill boxers in my opinion...

[RobertG]

Re: boxers, are they really tough as they say they are?

Originally posted by ewod
what does everyone think of boxing when they watch it? do you think they would last against a martial artist or even a kickboxer or muay thai kickboxer for that matter in the ring? did anyone know that seagal once challenged boxer lennox lewis to a fight and he declined? I also heard that rickson gracie put up one million dollars and offered a challenge to mike tyson to fight him...rickson would kill tyson...I wonder if tyson will ever accept ricksons offer...gene lebell beat up a boxer back in the 60s I think...I think martial artists/kickboxers could kill boxers in my opinion...

Have you ever actually tried to spar with a professional boxer? That will change your opinion very quickly.

Lennox Lewis would KILL Steven Seagal. KILL. Knock him the f**k out. Seagal's moves, before he became a beached whale, need him to get some degree of limb control. No way he can catch a Lewis jab anywhere except the jaw.

Rickson would not kill Tyson. First, you assume Rickson can shoot in on Tyson without catching that uppercut to the chin. You have seen a Tyson uppercut have you not? That would send Rickson into a coma. Yes, once they got to the ground (IF they did), Rickson would certainly have a lot of superior technique. But Tyson is a raging mass of musclular, well, rage, and in a no hold's barred fight, I would not bet against him (provided he wasn't going through one of his depressions...). Don't forget, he has no qualms about biting your ears off, or anything else. And he'd eat Rickson's children too.

Yeah, Gene Lebell beat a boxer. The no. 5 ranked light heavyweight. Yeah the guy was greased up all over. He (Lebell claims) had brass knuckles on. You notice for all his skill Lebell never challenged any of the great boxers of his day to a match. You never saw him challenge Ali. Ali would have annhilated Lebell, for all his skill and toughness.

Lets not forget that a MMA competitor with top knotch boxing skills has never stepped into the ring. Most of these guys don't have impressive hand skills. This isn't to say they are bad fighters or that they couldn't beat a professional boxer. Its just to say that a very good professional boxer can tear most people apart (I'd say this goes for a professional Thai boxer as well...).

[ewod]

Re: Re: boxers, are they really tough as they say they are?

Originally posted by RobertG


Have you ever actually tried to spar with a professional boxer? That will change your opinion very quickly.

Lennox Lewis would KILL Steven Seagal. KILL. Knock him the f**k out. Seagal's moves, before he became a beached whale, need him to get some degree of limb control. No way he can catch a Lewis jab anywhere except the jaw.

Rickson would not kill Tyson. First, you assume Rickson can shoot in on Tyson without catching that uppercut to the chin. You have seen a Tyson uppercut have you not? That would send Rickson into a coma. Yes, once they got to the ground (IF they did), Rickson would certainly have a lot of superior technique. But Tyson is a raging mass of musclular, well, rage, and in a no hold's barred fight, I would not bet against him (provided he wasn't going through one of his depressions...). Don't forget, he has no qualms about biting your ears off, or anything else. And he'd eat Rickson's children too.

Yeah, Gene Lebell beat a boxer. The no. 5 ranked light heavyweight. Yeah the guy was greased up all over. He (Lebell claims) had brass knuckles on. You notice for all his skill Lebell never challenged any of the great boxers of his day to a match. You never saw him challenge Ali. Ali would have annhilated Lebell, for all his skill and toughness.

Lets not forget that a MMA competitor with top knotch boxing skills has never stepped into the ring. Most of these guys don't have impressive hand skills. This isn't to say they are bad fighters or that they couldn't beat a professional boxer. Its just to say that a very good professional boxer can tear most people apart (I'd say this goes for a professional Thai boxer as well...).

tyson would get his ass whooped by rickson gracie robert...if lennox lewis would kill seagal than why did he turn down seagals offer? seagal would clean the floor with lennox...everyone has different opinions tho and I respect yours... who here would bet their money on rickson whooping tysons ass here? about seagal whooping lennoxs ass?

[RobertG]

Tyson is about 8 years younger and 50 pounds heavier than Rickson. And that isn't lard, its lean muscle. How do you propose he is going to get Tyson to the floor without getting knocked out in the process?

Why would Lewis have fought Seagal? What is to gain? He would knock Seagal out. Seagal would either sue him or shoot him because he's crazy. Seagal was a very very good aikidoka. Seagal is now over 50 and weighs 300 something pounds. He cannot beat Lennox Lewis. Where do you get that idea from? Have you actually watched either Lewis or Tyson fight? And have you wathed Tyson in HIS PRIME? I think if you had the pleasure of seeing him fight before he went to prison you wouldn't have such misguided notions about what a real boxer can do.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Tyson in his haydays was already a bastard, in one of his fights ( was already champion) I saw him actually pulling his hook trough and giving an elbow, because there is too much money involved they do not stop a fight for something like that
We all know about the earbiting
But he would knock off the head of most of us and still knock out the rest of us

Being hit by Tyson is not something you want to experience and if you do not ever twice
Something that seems to be true for the slaps of sumotori too

Hae, why don't we see any sumofighter in Pride or UFC?

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
Tyson in his haydays was already a bastard, in one of his fights ( was already champion) I saw him actually pulling his hook trough and giving an elbow, because there is too much money involved they do not stop a fight for something like that
We all know about the earbiting
But he would knock off the head of most of us and still knock out the rest of us

Being hit by Tyson is not something you want to experience and if you do not ever twice
Something that seems to be true for the slaps of sumotori too

Hae, why don't we see any sumofighter in Pride or UFC?

Tyson did the elbow thing a lot. He's got nasty elbows.

There was a "sumo" guy in the very first UFC. I think he got his face smashed in by a savate guy or something. He was a sumo guy in some amature Korean league or something. Real sumo guys from the top Japanese leagues would never, ever compete in something like UFC or Pride. First off, they'd get stripped of their titles and such. Secondly, they're all so deep into sumo culture that they would never "disgrace" the sport by lowering themselves to fight in such a forum. But yeah, Takanohana, Mushashimaru or Akebono would be a handful for any MMA fighter.

[Ghost]

Re: boxers, are they really tough as they say they are?

Originally posted by ewod
what does everyone think of boxing when they watch it? do you think they would last against a martial artist or even a kickboxer or muay thai kickboxer for that matter in the ring? did anyone know that seagal once challenged boxer lennox lewis to a fight and he declined? I also heard that rickson gracie put up one million dollars and offered a challenge to mike tyson to fight him...rickson would kill tyson...I wonder if tyson will ever accept ricksons offer...gene lebell beat up a boxer back in the 60s I think...I think martial artists/kickboxers could kill boxers in my opinion...

One millions hey.. i dont think Tyson would get out of bed for that, you have to remember that would be seen in boxing as scraping the barrel by taking such a low offer, nothing against rickson, he probably would win, i think but its embarassing to fight for that kind of money, looks like you are really desperate.

Not that he hasnt done silly things before.

[Ghost]

I thinkl most of the top boxers would beat alot of the best martial artists.

You need to go against a good boxer to know.

Ots probably the most useful skill bar none.

Its the quickest way to end a fight and the easiest, doesnt require you rolling around on the floor and doesnt get you off balance.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Yes i agree with ghost but for those of us who are not as strong or have pure muscle like the rest of you, we rely on grappling

[Ghost]

Not necessary if you are light you can punch fast.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
Yes i agree with ghost but for those of us who are not as strong or have pure muscle like the rest of you, we rely on grappling

well the grappling arts I did were much more physicaly demanding than any striking art (judo and JJ)

[Bjjexpertise@be]

Grappling arts demand patience, concentration, and endurance. THe goal of grappling is to use minimum strength

[DRLashambe]

I've fought a boxer, and it's true that you never want to get a knock in the face or exposed ribs with the kind of power they can generate. I do know that when the fight moves to the ground, all the stories are true: they really lose a lot of their power and abilities. Here's a problem I never realized I would encounter, though. We tend to think of boxers as great with their hands, but a truly great boxer has excellent footwork. It's not that easy to get them to the ground. They may not know anything about throws and tackles, but they definately know how to stick and move, and they tend to do that anytime you go for their legs.

[Tom Yum]

They condition the heck out of their legs with all kinds of jump variations, rope work, running and weights because they get their power from the ground up. Half the time they let you tire yourself out and then come in for the KO.

The only way to find out is to spar with them. If you're in Houston visit Savannah gym and tell them you want to spar with one of their mediocre fighters

You will not be dissapointed.

[Great Sage]

The regiment and discpline required to become a professional boxer far surpasses most conventional martial arts, so I would tend to agree that boxers are in a separate class. Not only are they superb athletes, but their skill level is honed to near perfection. Anyone who's ever boxed in a gym will attest to that.

Under certain circumstances, MMA guys would have a chance. In an NHB, controlled match, perhaps the boxer may lack repetoire due to the rules. However, in the streets, a boxer has his skills and natural savvy and I wouldn't bet against a professional boxer fighting with no rules.

Many MMA guys are constantly shouting at boxers because that's where they'd like to be. They want to prove their worth. The fact that boxers decline to confront most MMA guys is not about fear, but professionalism. Boxers and boxing, for the most part is a professional sport that doesn't cater to just anyone wanting a match. Matches have to be earned through the ranks of boxing.