What prepares you for the street better?

[Maxximus]

You have one guy who trains in the mixed martial arts (let's say a combo of JKD, muay thai and mixed grappling). You have another guy who just trains boxing seriously. The way i see it both of them will be reasonably conditioned, but while the MMA'er is technically superior and well rounded, the boxer is probably a whole lot tougher. Who do you think is more prepared for the street?

[Ryu (non-working password]

The guy with a bunch of friends and a gun.

[duchman]

Someone who wears this types of shoes

[Maxximus]

Thanx for the profound incite.

[Mr. Miyagi]

They are both as well prepared as they need to be as long as they don't run into an armed attacker with armed and dangerous friends.

[Ryu (non-working password]

LOL,
In all honesty, I think it depends on the people fighting.
A not so serious streetfight is pushing, grabbing clothes, and throwing punches to the face. Sometimes a slip happens, etc. But generally a lot of grabbing and hitting. So the boxer (if he's good) could KO Joe Blow on the street I think with out a problem. Someone that is accurate and powerful is destructive. Despite what anyone says.
The MMA would be able to control Joe Blow and beat him up on the ground a little bit, or may even drop him with a thai kick, etc. It's a bit relative. I think both have their strong points and weaknesses. If the boxer has never been on the ground then he fights the same way as Joe Blow. If the MMA fighter is not used to clinching or shooting against someone really hitting him, then he's at a loss as well.

If you're talking about a serious streetfight...see my post above

Ryu

[Ronin]

I think the MMA'er is better prepared for a grappling situation (obviously), but the Boxer probably knows enough to survive in most cases. A Boxer with some BJJ would be even better off, eh Pit Dog?

The only problem I see with Boxers being street-effective, is the fact that they don't train without gloves. Bare-knuckle is different than wearing gloves. Even James Warring, the IBF champion who fought Renzo in WCC, used some karate-type strikes in his matches to save his hands.

Of course, if you're a Boxer, and you wear gloves out on the street, you don't have as much to worry about. Punch away.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Tyson broke a bone in his hand when he punched Mitch Green outside a hardware store in NYC. As it turned out, the dazed Mitch Green was unable to recover from the shot and capitazlize on Tyson's injury.
Seriously, Green must have been a pretty tough fighter to go the distance in a real boxing match with the young Tyson who used to KO everyone he fought.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

I think the MMA'ist would be the ticket once he clinches because of his Muay Thai and grappling.

[Underdog]

Neither the boxer nor the MMAer would stand a chance against a "Streetfighter". For same insane reason, the term streetfighting evokes some type of hybrid fighting style combining best of both worlds. Well guess what? The real streetfighter I have met knowed more or less a punch, a headbutt, and maybe a foot stomp, but they were real master in deception and in setting up their opponent.

Normally there are two types of streetfighter:

-The gunslinger: intersted in augmenting his bodycount and his reputation. Those types rarely begin a fight that they aren't sure to finish, be it with strikes or weapon, and they start only when the odds are staken in their favour.

-The predator: fight to pray something from you, be it money, or something they value.

The best strategy would be seeming innocuous, be very, very AWARE of your sourroundings and expect EVER the worst.

Usually if the element of surprise is taken out, the fight is half won.

My 0,02.

[mark fox]

what prepares you for the street?

I work in a prison as a corrections officer, that helps.

[Ryu (non-working password]

Can't win, don't try.

haha JK everyone.

[Ronin]

Underdog:

What you said about the gunslinger reminds me of Musashi. He would always set up the fight before-hand, use surprise, and pick his opponent apart. He never "fought fair", and he never lost.

It is difficult to counter an individual like this. Today, we call people like this "sociopaths". It is better to stay clear of them if possible, and to run away at the first sign of trouble. It's also a good argument for striking first, as Geoff Thompson advocates.

Otherwise, you may end up in a body-bag.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Ronin and Ryu,

Musashi seems to be a very effective fighter, he was a samurai and they were supposedly "men of extreme honor", isnt that contridicitve to the way they were supposed to fight and act? Shouldnt of he waited until his oppnent was ready in a duel THEN act?

[Ronin]

YeLLa TiGeR:

You're correct. Musashi was a very bad samurai. And a very good warrior.

He used unconventional tactics that messed his opponents' heads up. Sakuraba wearing the mask was reminiscent of this kind of mind-game. And one reason why Royce was so pissy after the fight.

Also, as far as that "bush-jumping" incident that so offended Patterson, my guess was that the retainers were planning to gang up on Musashi, kill him, then claim that the Yoshioka child "defeated" the great Musashi. Realizing this, Musashi jumped them, demoralized them by killing their child-master, and escaped. No more Yoshiokas to contend with.

Kill or be killed. Just like the Old West. Honor was more of an ideal than a reality. Still is.