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**lssanjose** · 08-12-2003, 02:58 AM

well we're speaking mainly behalf on the american tae kwon do side of things, and there have been many others that have told of differences regarding training in korea vs here in the US.

**xero** · 08-12-2003, 05:36 AM

A true artist should be looking for the strengths in every style aside from its weaknesses. Besides, never count someone out for the art they practice because you may be the one out for the count.

**Ghost** · 08-12-2003, 05:57 AM

Im sorry but TKD basically sux ass. And to say that there is one grand master somewhere on some mountainside that could kick me and it would hurt means jack to me.

I hate it when people come on here and say ah well TKD is good cos there was this guy once who could kick hard.

So what.

The system is rubbish. It is fundamentaly floored and before you say go and pick a fight with my instructor or go fight with grand master chou chu whatever thats not the point. The point is the average TKD practitioner is probably a less capable fighter than the average drunk.

I dont doubt that with 25 years of total dedication it will work for some people. The very point is that you lot cant do it, you cant fight to save your lives.

**falcon3624** · 08-12-2003, 07:13 AM

Ghost I only have one thing to say to that.

Point, set, match!!!!!

Ghost is right on the money. Everytime someone tries to defend TKD that bring up some master from Korea that is suppose to be awesome. Who cares? I am starting to wonder if this guy exist and if he does why does he not compete in anything? Why does he not compete in the Olympics? I mean TKD is an Olympic sport right? I think next they should make sewing an Olympic event, I mean there is more possibility of getting hurt sewing than there is doing TKD (might get pricked with the needle).

Fact of the matter is you look at other styles and there are plenty of good ones out of the bunch whereas with TKD I don't see anyone that has really impressed me.

Don't feel bad though guys it's not your dedication that makes you suck it's the arts fault. If anyone had half a heart they would just go and close down all the McDojos and start all over again.

You know I have a black belt in TKD too. Yep, sure do. I was walking to MT class one day and passed in front of this TKD school and they had a table sitting out in front with some belts on it. I thought that $20 sounded kinda expensive for a TKD belt but I figured if worse came to worse I would just have some really expensive toilet paper.

**Ghost** · 08-12-2003, 07:44 AM

Yeah i think that when poeple do something they think its the best . Which is their own fault for not being inquisitive enough.

Come on TKD guys open youre eyes im sure you love your club but what u do is just sheer crap.

Most people can see this so YOU are the ones that should be taking a closer look at the crap you study. And no crap about the fighter makes the difference not the system.

Thats like saying an F1 driver is the driver and nothing but the car.

TKD is like entering a Nissan Micra into the F1. Even with M Shumacher driving hes going to loose.

So forget guys just change system or give up alltogether.

**Tom Yum** · 08-12-2003, 08:53 AM

I would have to agree that 95% of TKD schools are rubbish when it comes to fighting, but their kids programs are decent.

Some instructors to consider: Jhoon Rhee, He Il Cho, Chuck Norris and those who have studied under them. Bruce Lee studied under Jhoon Rhee.

Check out Manson Gibson. He's fought several times in Thailand and won using unorthodox techniques - spinning back fists, turning side kicks, spinning hook kicks etc.

**JIMI** · 08-12-2003, 09:03 AM

I have to agree with Ghost on this one.

**Great Sage** · 08-12-2003, 09:33 AM

It's a simple truth that Tae Kwon Do sucks... I can attest to this because I've gone through the entire TKD ordeal before—Forced testing, inadequate teaching methods and black belt in at least 2 years.

Basically, in TKD you are not judged by your merit, but by the length of study—which is crap-o-la. Anyone can learn to throw a kick, but not anyone can kick with power and efficiency. Aside from that, you have all these forms that go nowhere...

In contrast, BJJ takes years and years to learn. Furthermore, the proving ground is the mat. You only go as far as your skills take you. At my rate, it may take 25 years to reach black belt, but that's beside the point.

A funny scenario. I was checking out this Okinawan Karate school. A big Yellow Belt was beating the crap outta this black belt kid... Each time the yellow belt pulvarized the black belt, the instructor stepped in and scolded him for using the wrong techniques. Afterwards, the black belt was consoled with a certificate... Funny Shiet, man...

**jules** · 08-12-2003, 10:50 AM

The fault is squarely on the S.Korean government and the S. Korean TKD federation. They wanted an Olympic sport so they destoryed the style to make it "fit" into a sport. It's a discrace of what they did. They basically sold their sole to the devil. Was TKD always this bad? No, the ITF has a decent style and so to something called "professional TKD". The sad thing is that those people who wanted to keep TKD into a MA rather than a sport is opressed by the S.korean TKD association. A shame. Good thing that MA who kept the MA of TKD is changing their names so they don't have to be hassled by the SKTKD federation. Who cares about a name? Besides the name is if anything a handicap.

**Ghost** · 08-12-2003, 11:30 AM

The fault lies with the guy that invented the crap too.

**jules** · 08-12-2003, 11:32 AM

The fault lies with the guy that invented the crap too.

Have you seen TKD in the 60's and 70's? Looks just like kickboxing/Karate. Dude i will be the last person to defend TKD being a MT man myself but i only wish i could somehow show you the footage that the i saw last year on korean TV.

**falcon3624** · 08-12-2003, 11:33 AM

It's all falsified information........

**Acitic** · 08-12-2003, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by falcon3624
It's all falsified information........

I challange you to come train under my head instructor....... He made a eight year old do 100 push ups cuzz he said don't kick and he did it again.

But you really need to come and train with my club judge for yourself instead of just standing there acting like you know crap about the martial art...... see if you can get your hands on "NK ITF DEMO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GREECE 2003"

**jules** · 08-12-2003, 11:43 AM

It's all falsified information........

Falcon why would a style exist if it never worked? Besides the ITF is proof of what TKD was designed to look like (since Mr. Choi created the ITF),

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