How will Tyson hold up in K-1?

[jules]

how would a competent MT fighter fight tyson? Simple, the same way he will fight all boxers. Low kick when appart and knees/elbows when close.. Gotta avoid "no-man's land"... Basically you have to be clinching or kicking.

[Jam6813]

The reality of Tyson against an MMA fighter...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, in an ideal world and theoretically, yes, low kicks from a distance and elbows and knees up close. What I am trying to push forward here is the fact that Tysons conditioning is astronomically superior to the majority of MMA fighters and in all honesty I can't see any MMA fighter withstanding a few jabs or a combination of devastating rights and lefts from Tyson. You try to take him down and he will catch you with elbows and hooks on the way in (lights out, no, seriously!), low kicks from a stand off position will mean countering with thrusting over head rights (lights out!), up close with knees and elbows, have you seen Tyson elbow someone, its a sick sight, and he loves it, oh no! I think my head has been abnormally cracked open, and also he loves to break arms in the clich, remember botha's famous words, "He tried to break my arm"... in fact, he would probably pick you up and throw you out of the ring. Look guys I am a keen martial arts fan who has followed all the greats, Gracie, Sperry, Zinoviev, Ruas, Fry, Coleman, Shamrock, Rizo etc, etc, but, it actually pains me to say this, none of them could batter Tyson, seriously, he is a dangerous man who is capable of turning the majority of MMA fighters into vegetables... If you want to survive a Tyson round, train like he does, grow a big old neck and do situps untill your nose bleeds. The ring is a dengerous place for the nieve and over confident.

[Mr. Miyagi]

See, I see K1 as being a cakewalk for Tyson since he gets to do what he's done his whole life; stand up and box, against people who can't take shots from someone like him at that. Lewis would also destroy anyone in K1. How many kicks would a K1 fighter get off against Tyson? One? Maybe two, but the hook they would get in return would set off stars in their head.
I don't see his leg conditioning being an issue here. He probably won't even get kicked. Noone in K1 can wear him down the way Lewis did. He shouldn't try to develop his kicking ability, he should just work on defending and countering, but I don't think he'll need much work. Poor Bob Sapp.

I'm not so sure what would happen to Tyson in UFC or Pride. I think he would destroy the stand-up specialists, guys like Rizzo or Silva. But how would he handle guys like Coleman and Couture if they took him down? I think Tyson's best bet would be to start the fight by throwing a flurry of rockets, like Vitor and Tank used to, but he's so much better at it than them.

[smith&wesson]

Originally posted by jules
how would a competent MT fighter fight tyson? Simple, the same way he will fight all boxers. Low kick when appart and knees/elbows when close.. Gotta avoid "no-man's land"... Basically you have to be clinching or kicking.

Tyson does not wait very long, he moves in the man and you have to pay attention to your head, no possibilities for good kicks here. You can clinch but the referee will break soon and the ralley goes on.

[Maui Jim]

When is this fight going to take place?

[shasan]

he's mammoth

Sapp's does have size going for him though... dude's a house.

[Nutz]

Haven't you learned anything from the martial arts? Size doesn't mean a thing!

[shasan]

That must be why they have weight classes

[gregimotis]

Which Tyson?

Um, but... The Mike Tyson I've seen in the last several years can't hardly stay out of jail, much less train like the 'Iron Mike' we used to see.
If he could get back into shape, and sharpen his skills up for K-1, then he could do the same for boxing and save himself the trouble of learning a different game - but he can't - because mike tyson today does not have the heart/focus/desire that made Iron Mike Tyson the force of nature he was.
Keyword: Was.

oh yeah...IMHO

[Nutz]

Originally posted by shasan
That must be why they have weight classes

Allow me to elaborate--Size doesn't always equal better. I'm only 5'5" and I've dealt with guys much bigger than me with relative ease. In fact, one was 6'2" @ 400lbs and another was 6'9" @ 280lbs. Neither could match my speed and agility (mainly due to my superior footwork at the time) and both times they were dealt with in short order (yes that's a pun).

[Mr. Miyagi]

He doesn't need to be in the shape of his life for K1. The stuff that stops him from regaining the heavyweight boxing crown is irrelevant against K1 competition.

Ever wonder why weight classes stop in combat arts and from 220+ anyone is fair game? Because those guys that weigh 300+ lbs. have never been able to use this to their advantage against the top 240 lb guys. Ricardo Morais couldn't do anything to Coleman despite the huge size advantage and no 350 lb boxer can take on the top heavyweight contenders. I don't know why that is, it's like humans become less efficient past a certain weight barrier.

The advantage a 220 lb fighter (like Tyson) has over Oscar de la Hoya cannot be compared as being the same as a 300 lb fighter would have over Tyson, it doesn't work that way.

[falcon3624]

No one forgets the old Iron Mike do they? LOL. I remember back in the day watching Mike fight and I was just in awe. I thought there would never be anyone that could take him on. When he was in his prime he was going against the top boxers in the world and knocking them all out and in record time too. Now how can you say he is the same fighter? I mean I quit watching the guy because his fights are just plain boring and he is nowhere near what he used to be. I admit the guy has a killer punch but you have to consider alot of the fights he has had lately haven't looked all that great.

Tyson used to win because of skill, patience, and power. The skill is dimenishing, the patience is long gone and I don't think he has near as much power as he did in his prime.

Don't get me wrong though I would love to see Tyson get in the ring and brawl with the K-1 guys cuz I think it would be a good fight, but as far as him getting in the octagon and beating the top UFC guys? No way, quick takedown and fast submission. The only way he will thrive is to go into something that does not allow ground fighting because most of the good grapplers out there probably can take Tyson down and probably could tap him out fairly easily if he doesn't train in ground work.

[shasan]

Originally posted by Nutz


..and I've dealt with guys much bigger than me with relative ease. ...

I don't doubt that for a second. I think Tyson will KO Sapp in the first round.

But the reason I said that was I was really just trying to see what advantage Sapp could possibly have in the fight. Size was the first thing that came to mind... I don't think he has anything else going for him..

Although I don't know about whether humans get less efficient past a certain size, I do know that the strength to weight ratio has a lot to do with speed/agility. i.e. the 100lb skinny guy who can barely do 5 pushups will not be faster than the 220lb guy who can do 100. The higher the strength per pound, the faster (I think) the guy should be able to move... no? Just thinking out loud.

[psyfered]

even though i hated you in the football vs martial arts posts falcon.. I'm loving your statement here.. because you pointed out alot of points that i tried to distinguish previously on that long ass post i dropped

Which is.. tyson isnt the same.. and his past fights havnt been shit. even his latest with Ettiene though it was fourty nine seconds.. it looked sloppy and rigged.. Tyson is not patient,, scientific.. or versatile now a days.. he just tosses shots for the head.. never any jabs either.. He's a heymaker fury.. he need st owork on this to do well in k1.. but i dont doubt he will do well.. I'm predicting tyson to be a complete monster


Where the disagreement comes in at? is him not doing well in UFC.. i do beleive tyson will be a dominating force in UFC hands down.. After all Tank Abott did good.. and he's nothing but a smaller bob sapp.. Just hooks all over the place.. and knows how to hold his ground

So when you take the punching abott did that made him so effective in UFC.. or the scott norton did to win his first pride fight.. and put twice as much power, boxing expertise and superior accuracy behind them.. best beleive tyson will be incredible

But these guys arnt stupid.. they'll grab.. they'll left.. they'll do some greco roman / bjj type manouvers to get him down and for the tap.. Because of tysons Image i dont see him tapping. I see him allowing himself further damage before a submit.. but because of his strength .. i dotn see him getting down.. with out tussling his way out

obviously tyson wil lbe under instruction to learn how to grapple... and thats what will give him another step up over these UFC guys in 'my eyes'..

Most of you may disagree or agree.. but UFC i see as somethgin ery easy to tyson.... Besides.. to grab him you have to get inside. rather its a high approach or low approach.. Are these guys really quick enough to get past a upper cut, or any other cannon tyson will toss? Surely his hands are faster than most of these bodies move

[Nutz]

I think he's also got the intimidation factor working for him. Many people will be wary of grappling with him in the respect that if he does go for some form of submission he'll just break your arm instead of waiting for you to just tap out. He's one of those guys who'd probably go there, regardless of whether or not he'd get kicked out.

As to the debate of whether humans get less efficient past a certain size, physiologists have debated this point for some time now. The general concensus is that yes, after you reach a particular threshold it will take so much energy to generate motion that the human mechanices are screwed. The really heated debate is about where that threshold is at. Its supposedly a body mass issue and not size or weight specific, but to be honest I've forgotten the specifics related to it. Look it up on Google or Yahoo (which is where I heard about it in the first place--Yahoo news).