Are submission holds allowed in wrestling?

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I've been thinking about joining the wrestling team for my school and i was wondering if submission holds are allowed. If they aren't i dunno if I should join or not since i don't like jsut pinning somone to the mat. Also the spandex......bleh..

[Jared]

Unless your school is set up specifically for the title of 'submission wrestling' than the answer is, "No," most likely the school you attend is not geared towards submission holds to obtain victory. You would have to join a seperate group not affiliated with the school in order to get into submission wrestling.

[Szczepankiewicz]

BS! I see it in WWE all the time!

[Tom Yum]

Yeah and whatever happened to GLOW (Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling)?? I saw it there too!!

[Lost Ronin]

Re: Are submission holds allowed in wrestling?

Originally posted by Bjjexpertise@be
I've been thinking about joining the wrestling team for my school and i was wondering if submission holds are allowed. If they aren't i dunno if I should join or not since i don't like jsut pinning somone to the mat. Also the spandex......bleh..

I recommend that you join the wrestling team. No, submission holds are not allowed. But, you will develop good takedowns, good takedown defense, not to mention the ability to pin people on the ground and hold them there (think about that combined with submission holds or strikes.) Wrestlers are also some of the best conditioned athletes out there... look at MMA. Tito Ortiz was a wrestling champ, so was Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes. All of these men have dominated MMA due to their ability to keep the fight where THEY want it to. Try to learn as much as possible, because the wrestling will enhance any aspect of your martial arts game. My clinches are really good thanks to all that Greco Roman Wrestling I used to do. And my takedown defense and sprawls are solid. If you are serious about MMA or self defense (one out of ten American males wrestles during highschool, think about facing that one guy in a streetfight!) I can't encourage you more to try wrestling.

Oh yeah, the spandex.... when you have a 2 time state champ putting you in a power half, you won't really be worried about what he is wearing .

[Szczepankiewicz]

Don't they get to do half-nelson's and such?

[eXcessiveForce]

They do not allow any against the joint moves. But Pressure points and a few other things can be thrown in without anyone noticing too much.

[MrPoopy]

I don't think a half nelson is a submission. I was taught to use it in Judo to help turn a person over. I guess with enough pressure it could be a submission.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I don't even think a full nelson is a submission, it hurts a little, but nothing like a neck crank or an arm bar.

As for pressure points in wrestling, I believe, just like 'checking the oil' that those moves are illegal and poor sportsmanship.

[MrPoopy]

Sadly, I have submitted a guy with a full nelson. He seemed to submit to almost anything.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

ok fine you convinced me to go to the try outs anyway, even if they don't allow submission holds. But seriously teh spandex.....When the guy is up against you and you feel something soft rub up against your leg, you'd frek out too.

[psyfered]

Nah submission holds arnt allowed.. Which pretty much means they can't "submit".... tap out.. anything of the WWE nature

But submissions can be used.. or atleast here in philly they can be. The object is ofcourse to pin your opponent, but when the visual VHS training is presented it's usually to exploit different submission moves for your use


Mind you it could just be here in philly.. but they highly recomend us to use submission holds that are legal to tire an opponent. the ref normally allows them for a certain ammount of time before we are told to release.. or ofcourse poitns are presented for the escapes

[smith&wesson]

In olympic wrestling you win if the opponent has both shoulders on the ground. This has nothing to do with submission
I'm not sure if you will like it ...

[MasterChief]

No submissions in greco-roman, freestyle or collegiate wrestling. For the most part, they aren't taught and most moves that could turn into a submission-inducing thing are not allowed (keylock, body figure 4, head scissor, full nelson, barring the arm past 90 degrees, grasping 1 finger, chokes, etc).

Doesn't mean you won't ever get choked or feel like submitting out there on the mat, but for the most part that stuff is prevented.

There are a number of subtle, painful moves you'll learn that are more about encouraging your opponent to go to the ground or roll over onto his back than to submit.

If you are into martial arts, definitely try out for wrestling. It's a great way to add a ton of skills to any stand-up punching/kicking style. With wrestling, you can win most street fights without hurting yourself or your opponent. With wrestling combined with bjj submissions and some striking style, you'll be close to the perfect MMA fighter.

[JaredExtreme]

One thing also to be considered is that most high school wrestling programs have excellent conditioning routines. But be careful about developing an eating disorder.