What weapon do prefere

[hashpuppet]

Noone carries around a stick.

The reason cop shoot outs are like that is because they usually don't stand straight in front of each other and also 99 percent of cops are not great shots, its just a true fact, they don't have that much target practice.

Even though it's not guaranteed you'll win with a gun, the odds are in your favor by a vast amount, you can close your eyes and shoot a few rounds and there's a good chance you'll hit the target. It's the only long range weapon you can carry and you can always dodge and shoot against someone with a short ranged weapon like stick or knife, just run backwards and start shooting, he's not gonna come straight at you.

[Angel-of-Death]

Some criminal was running from the cops and shooting his gun over his shoulder. Apperantly he accidently shot himself in the head and ended the chase real fast. I wouldn't suggest shooting a gun backwards, espessially while running or you'll end up the laughing stock of the town, and dead.

[hashpuppet]

you dont seem to understand the difference between a criminal and an expert marksman.

[Angel-of-Death]

You don’t seem to understand the fact that everyone makes mistakes, whether a criminal or a professional. Have you ever heard of American soldiers accidentally killing themselves during battle or training? It isn’t too rare. They’re been educated in the use guns well enough and yet even they’ve slipped up. If you’re an idiot you’ll learn nothing from the criminal’s fatal error and think you’re the shit, but one day you’ll slip, or trip on a tree branch and end up shooting yourself in the head while casually shooting over your shoulder.

Seriously, what idiot would ever shoot a gun backwards running from someone? Not only could you seriously injure and possibly kill an incident bystander you can cause tons of thousands of dollars in damage. So sure, if you’re careless, stupid and you have money to blow then feel free to run around with your guns blazing and shooting random things. If the world is lucky, you just might end up in jail.

[hashpuppet]

youre a fool, i never said it was a perfect weapon, but you can make those same mistakes with any other weapon, with good training the chance of actually hurting someone else or something is so small especially considering how rarely youll probably have to use the gun

[Szczepankiewicz]

Jared said:

I prefer my fists.

He also uses this line to dump his girlfriends...


My favorite weapon to use is my brain. But, it has never been seen and is considered by many to simply not exist.

[Angel-of-Death]

"youre a fool, i never said it was a perfect weapon"

Who ever did? Not me or anyone else for all I know.

I was ridiculing you for your earlier statement, which was pretty stupid and ignorant of you. There isn't much of a difference as a matter of fact, both can shoot the weapon and that is all that needed to cause a fatality. Sure, chances are the marksman is a better shot but even professionals occasionally hurt civilians. The criminal may even be an expert marksman for that matter, you just never know. My point is NO ONE can shoot accurately with the gun pointed backwards. People don’t have eyes in the back of their heads. Maybe you’ll scare you’re attackers or maybe they’re just kill you dead on the spot.

Throwing a knife over your shoulder it probably won't go too far and without the chance of 'scaring' off anyone you'd be a ****ing dumbass to throw a knife backwards.

Don't be stupid.

[cbk]

Best weapons to learn for demonstartional perposes is the Bo and Kama... the best weapon to learn for fighting and using in real life situation is the Knife!!
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CBK

[hashpuppet]

running backwards, not running forwards with the gun over your shoulder, make sure you read the posts correctly. By the way, who said every marksman injures civilians. Does every knife thrower, bow and arrow user, or every other projectile user injure someone.

Just as a criminal can be an expert marksman, he can be a martial artist skilled with weapons, actually that might be more likely. So if common sense is applied the gun would be more efficient.

[Nit]

The gun is efficient but (can't belive I'm saying this) too deadly for the average Joe.

With a professional I favour the gun, but for the masses, average people I say the knife is better, it's more subtle, allowing for a greater range of use in situations.

if you threaten someone with a gun you have two choices (and many outcomes). A) warn them off B) Shoot to kill / maim

With a knife or stick you can defend against an attack with minimum or maximum force.


I appreciate the earlier comment about jamming weapons too... I was under the impression it happened more often then that...
mind you I don't have to stop for 2 secs after every 30 stabs

[John05]

"you can shoot in the air to scare someone"

That's just as bad as simply shooting to the side to miss. If you shoot to the side, you see where the bullet is going. Remember that what goes up must come down.
The chances are slim but a few people have actually died from stray bullets shot from celebrations in the street where people would fire off their guns into sky. The bullets came back down killing people far away. Again, the chances are slim, but if you live in a big city (where street fights would happen more often), that bullet that comes back down has a higher chances of hitting someone (it could even ricochet a few times).
Why not just fire to the side (not many people are just going to stand there watching you get mugged... They'll run like hell... and maybe call the cops)?

[hashpuppet]

Yes why not fire to the side in a crowded street perhaps. People get shot in those parades in mexico because hundreds of bullets are shot and the guns are often cheap 6 shooters with not much power. It's about the same chance as someone slipping on a banana peel you drop in the forest.

[John05]

Originally posted by hashpuppet
Yes why not fire to the side in a crowded street perhaps. People get shot in those parades in mexico because hundreds of bullets are shot and the guns are often cheap 6 shooters with not much power. It's about the same chance as someone slipping on a banana peel you drop in the forest.

Ok, maybe i exaggerated, but...
who the hell will mug you in a crowded street?

[Strider]

I'd say the best weapon to carry is not to carry one. Most of the times people are able to talk their ways out of situation without aggravating the other person. In other cases such as muggings and etc. you cannot avoid this, since their intent is obvious. I would say go for the knife. In California you are allowed to carry a knife under 4 inches as long as it is in view. Yet when your victim of a muggging who wants to conceal it? In a recent article I read one of those science magazines, also shown in the Discovery channel showed the power of a gun and the power of a knife. In reality the power behind a knife stab is more powerful then a gun. A gun may come at you with suprising speed and power. Depending on the gun of course. Comparison with a standard police revolver and a hunting knife. The difference was a 1.6g to a knife stab of 2.1g. G = G force. The reason behind this is because after the initial stab which adds a certain amount of G, your fist makes a second contact with the bolster causing another great amount of G in the strike. You probably all might say bullshit, but go look up some of the studies. They conducted this series by shooting from the same distance and onto a machine that recorded G-Force.

[BB Wolf]

Originally posted by Strider
I'd say the best weapon to carry is not to carry one. Most of the times people are able to talk their ways out of situation without aggravating the other person. In other cases such as muggings and etc. you cannot avoid this, since their intent is obvious. I would say go for the knife. In California you are allowed to carry a knife under 4 inches as long as it is in view. Yet when your victim of a muggging who wants to conceal it? In a recent article I read one of those science magazines, also shown in the Discovery channel showed the power of a gun and the power of a knife. In reality the power behind a knife stab is more powerful then a gun. A gun may come at you with suprising speed and power. Depending on the gun of course. Comparison with a standard police revolver and a hunting knife. The difference was a 1.6g to a knife stab of 2.1g. G = G force. The reason behind this is because after the initial stab which adds a certain amount of G, your fist makes a second contact with the bolster causing another great amount of G in the strike. You probably all might say bullshit, but go look up some of the studies. They conducted this series by shooting from the sam distance and onto a machine that recorded G-Force.

Interesting study. I'm not crying "bullshit!", but I'd like to read it firsthand sometime. I've talked to various people who've been shot and stabbed and while many people describe the stabbing as a "punch-like" feeling, some not noticing they have been stabbed, initially, the people who have talked about being shot seem to descibe a much more forceful and often painful feeling. You also have the nature of the weapon to consider. A knife may penetrate only as deep as the blade, plus whatever give the body gives upon impact. A bullet, traveling faster than you can see, often faster than the speed of sound, can penetrate more deeply, sometimes going thought the body. Of course there are many factors involved, the caliber of the weapon, bullet design, barrel lenghth, etc. The most important factor,in stopping an attack, with either gun or knife, is placement. There's an old saying in the firearms community: "a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45". Pesonally, I prefer a hit with a .45 . A knife blade in the right spot may end a fight quicker than a poorly placed shot. There is also the psycological factor involved. Both knives and guns disable people theough blood loss, the destruction of vital organs, or severing important ties to the nervous system. However, there are a number of poeple who will discontinue an attack when they discover that they have been shot or stabbed whenther the wound is a disabling one or not. It's the "Oh, Shit!" factor. There are also people who will continue fighting despite receiving fatal wounds. One of the more famous example of this is the infamous Miami Shootout in 1986. Several FBI agents were severley wounded of killed in a shootout with some heavily armed bank robbers whom they fatally wounded and continued fighting. Another example is the final battle of Edward Teach, a.k.a. Blackbeard. He took multiple wounds from both firearms and blade, and continued to fight until he was decapitiated. The study of terminal ballisitics is an interesting, and often hotly debated one.
I like, and train with, both guns and knives as SD weapons. Each has their use. Personally, I'll take a gun, or ideally, both.
BTW, the "standard police revolver", which I figure means a .38 Special revolver with a 4" barrel, is carried by very few police depts. these days, partially because of the Miami shootout. The higher capacity of most pistols, combined with greater ease of loading, even when wounded in the arm, and the better performance of of rounds commonly loaded in most full sized pistols, has caused most depts. to switch from revolvers to semi-auto pistols.

I'll correct the misspells later.