Dim mak

[osopardo]

where m I? wha happened? o god i thimk i wet myself!

[chris davis 200]

Now then - to say 'NO IT DOESNT WORK' is not really fair.

If we hear the words Dim Mak - then the automated responce is one of people lightly toughing the opponent and the opponent dieing days afterwards. This is not dim mak it is rubbish.

Dim mak as a term is not widley used by anyone other than westeners such as Montegue and Dillman.

From my experience most of their stuff is rubbish. The dim mak that IS real dim mak is fairly straight forward - striking to the throat with alot of force, hard kicks to the heart, strikes to the spine etc. These can be killers.

I have however experienced pressure points (often called Kyusho) and know that they work.

The wild claims of death are not very reallistic in point fighting, points are generally used in Chin na and grappling, they tend to be grabs to tender areas between muscles etc - this causes extreme pain. they are not used to throw someone or knock them out, but to make them not think about you throwing them into the concrete head first etc!

Points are also used in striking, but often not the way most think in the west. It is not like hitting a target the size of a pea, but is often an area about the size of a fist or bigger.

Now these areas are rarely used when slugging it out but normally when the opponent is in a position where they are immobilised or locked up. Then a strike to a sensitive area can be used to knock out (temples, kneck, Jaw, behind ear, spine.) or just to control or immobilise further (eyes etc).

Pressure points can be simple ones that are well known to most fighting style - in this case they are areas where, when pressure is applied, they break bones or cause extreme pain.

Or

they can be merideans similar to those used in accupuncture. The pain may come from the location of the point being above nerve centres, the joining of muscles or the connective tissues such as tendons. Classically it is believe that this is where Chi flows close to the surface so the chi gets disrupted when pressure is applied. In this case chi can be thought of as nerves. Where they are most prominent and prone to manipulation.

so to say that Dim Mak - doesnt work - is not really true - you probably use points all the time - and probably have some moves in your system that are designed to kill someone, they would be dim mak.

cheers
chris

[Strider]

discovery

Yo i've watched the discovery channel where they were exploring the origins of the dim mak. They showed two cases where it was actually recorded between two great Kung Fu fighters, around the 1800. The rival had been fighting the other for many years to gain status as the #1 fighter. One day he eventually picked a fight with the other fighter and ended up dead. DIM MAK STRIKE!

But they didn't tell us where he struck :/
For all you know it can be the scissor poke to the eye. Or a knife chop to the adam's apple. Or a palm strike on the nose. Or a big whoosh clap with both hands on the ear at the same time. So like the dim mak and ninjutsu an air of mystery will always shroud this subject. No one will truly know the answer. So let us all stop posting shit like we know something.

[chris davis 200]

ha!

Yo i've watched the discovery channel where they were exploring the origins of the dim mak. They showed two cases where it was actually recorded between two great Kung Fu fighters, around the 1800. The rival had been fighting the other for many years to gain status as the #1 fighter. One day he eventually picked a fight with the other fighter and ended up dead. DIM MAK STRIKE!

So let us all stop posting shit like we know something.

Yeh ... good idea!!

[Strider]

it was to show that no one really knows about it, dumbarss

[osopardo]

As to pressure points;

some time back I was wrestling with my son - just roughhousing on the living room rug. He's only thirteen years old mind you, but I sometimes teach him things that maybe I shouldn't.

I got him in a fairly tight hold which would very quickly lead to him tapping out. Instead, he was able to get his right hand free for a moment and jab his thumb with a lot of force just below my left ear. My entire left side (face, shoulder, arm, etc.) went numb and limp. He escaped and was doing a celebratory dance when he noticed the ashen look of agony on my face - started apologizing profusely and ran to get his mother. I must have looked pretty bad.

I had a lump where he hit me for about three weeks.

[JaredExtreme]

LoL I have a funny counter-story to that.

I used to roll on weekends with a guy who did some wing chun and groundfighting. One time I got him in this guillotine that I had on perfectly. He then starts trying to drive his fingers into my body for pressure points I assume.... but there was no way in hell I was gonna let go. Tappity tap tap.

[osopardo]

Originally posted by JaredExtreme
He then starts trying to drive his fingers into my body for pressure points I assume....

LOL. I love that, wasting time poking around futilely trying to come up with some clever technique and not paying attention to basics

[hashpuppet]

it seems kind of rude to use pressure points on someone who doesnt know them

[osopardo]

Originally posted by hashpuppet
it seems kind of rude to use pressure points on someone who doesnt know them

If you're really fighting rudeness has nothing to do with it.
If you're playing around, it's the best way to teach them (assuming you know what you're doing and don't do something too extreme). I learned all my pressure point techniques after having them used against me. That's also how my kid is learning them.

[osopardo]

And of course, with practice comes maturity and control. My kid now knows the effects of that particular technique and how much force to use and is much less likely to misuse it.

[seeker]

Now that I come to think of it, we all know some preassure points. The numb-point in the elbow and the point behind the knee where you hit or kick when you try to fall your brother down.

[chris davis 200]

That was the point i was making in my post.

Points arent some mistical magic that only some people know - we know about them - we just dont think about them.

chris

[shasan]

Originally posted by osopardo


If you're really fighting rudeness has nothing to do with it.
If you're playing around, it's the best way to teach them (assuming you know what you're doing and don't do something too extreme). I learned all my pressure point techniques after having them used against me. That's also how my kid is learning them.

yeah, to get out of a guillotine I'd be frantically tearing the guy's balls out on the street... or something.
see: Jeet Kune Do

LOL. Not so much of that when people are rolling though.

[djturnz]

Re: Who can say really?

Originally posted by jmd161
There's only one way to really know,but that means you would have to kill someone.I think it does because what Dim Mak means is death touch.There are many techniques that can kill.

My sifu was taught Dim Mak by Grandmaster Wong Cheung.He has yet to teach it to any of his students.He says he's not sure if he ever will.He says it's too easy to kill someone by mistake.


jeff

There is more to Dim Mak than just killing some one. Meridian (pressure) Points are a medical fact. Just like someone else said on here we all know some of the more famous pressure points; ie funny bone, under the nose. Has anyone ever gotten hit in the nose and started sneezing uncontrolably? The point behind the ear described by OSOPODO is actually a kill point if hit from both sides correctly.

While in highschool I studied karate and was invited to a pressure point seminar. I bought a Dim Mak book and studied it a lot. It was full of medical charts showing the different meridians. There healing techniques and pin causeing techniques assosiated with meridian points. Some use the same point. EXAMPLE: To get out of a head-lock you reach up around and hook your index finger across his top lip and under his nose and pull towards the top of his head. Also, to stop your self from sneezing you press on the spot under your nose. Same point.

I once had one of my friends on the football team grab my shirt, sort of to say "show me something". I grabbed his wrist and "activated" a point with my middle finger, with the other hand I grabbed his shoulder and burried my thumb next to his collar bone and "activated" another. His arm went numb for 20 minutes. Similar to when you fall asleep on your arm but the effects last longer and take only a second to produce. Although Dim Mak litterally means death touch, it is not all about causing death. It is a very interesting art. When I say "activate" that is not just finding the point and pushing on it, that just causes pain. Activation is getting in at the right angle and the right amount of pressure. There is a point on your forearm that can actually make you shit yourself, I have never been able to locate it.

No I am not an expert by any means. I have read a book and taken a seminar (taught by one of President Reagans former Secret Service), but I have studied and done some research. I suspect that the sceptics on here saw Van Damme break the brick in Bloodsport, and dismissed the whole art over a movie. (The judges told him he had to demonstrate Dim Mak to get in)

The deadly point that is most famous in movies when they refer to the touch of death, and what the Kung fu master that you were speaking of died from is the Zyphoid Process (spelling?).