plressure pins....

[jules]

what do you think about pressure pins and should a rookie in bjj use them?

[Sean Dempsey]

Do you mean pressure points?

[Mr. Heel Hook]

And if so, the answer is no.

[Sean Dempsey]

Yeah, I second the "no" if you're talking about pressure points.

There was a guy at our school who came to trail, he know some sort of stand up style, kicking, punching, pressure points, the whole deal.

He started to go with one of our guys. They rolled around, and our BJJ guy ended up with him in a guillotine from the guard.

The new guy started to try and use pressure points. Now, mind you, at our school, we don't crank anything on or slam on chokes or locks, it's all done easy so we don't hurt eachother. Well, this guy starts doing the pressure points, so our guy goes "bam" and arches his back and put's the power to the choke.

The guy went from doing pressure points on the other guys body, to doing pressure points on the mat with the palm of his hand.

[JaredExtreme]

LoL Dempsy... that's exactly the same outcome as my pressure point vs guillotine story I posted on here last week I believe.

[Sean Dempsey]

yeah man. when a choke is on, it's hard to do anything besides tap, especially search for pressure points when your vision is going red.

[jules]

I think they are called "pain pins".. I made a mistake.

[MrPoopy]

Pain pins? Can you explain what a pain pin is?

At my Judo club they have taught me a few pins that aren't really submission holds, but are tight and painful enough to make you tap.

[jules]

something like that. He would dig his fist into my neck or something like that to make me tap.

[Mr. Heel Hook]

LOL, oh, that's called a knuckle cracker. It's not really a pressure point per say. It is a submission move and there are a few different ways to use it. Is it worth learning? Of course, it is a Jiu Jitsu move all. In truth all it will do is compliment your arsenal, right?

[MrPoopy]

The punch choke and a certian sleeve choke (can't think of the name) involve pushing your knuckles into the opponents neck. It can be a lot more than painful.

[jules]

Hmm.. My question is that since I am a rookie should I leave pain pins for a later date and work on "traditional moves"? You know focus on kimura's, key locks, arm bars, Triangles, ect? BTW i got my first armbar tap on sunday, well three taps and one of them was a flying armbar from the full guard.

[MrPoopy]

If you're doing BJJ, they probly aren't gonna teach you a lot of pinning techniques. They will show ways to get on top of your opponent but they prefer not to just hold them down. They want to be able to strike as well as look for submissions.

I don't know about pain pins. Maybe if you want to use pins just stick with some traditional pins.

Don't let anyone tell you that pins don't have a place in BJJ.