Vale Tudo or BJJ? (Wing Chun too?)

[vipxtrmn8r]

Hi,

Brand new to martial arts. I don't know much, but I have spent the better part of the day trying to decide on a style to commit to.

I want to learn a martial art for self defense as I just moved to a big city where I am more likely to be involved with some type of "encounter". I would also like to learn a bit about discipline, as i am laking , and get in shape at the same time.

I have been a fan of mixed martial arts since the very early days of the UFC. I am about 6' tall and weigh about 175lbs. I could probably beef up to 190 without much problem, as i worked out for a short period of time and was up from 170 to 180 in a matter of weeks.

I have taken an interest in Vale Tudo, BJJ and Wing Chun.

I really like watching wing chun... and it seems very effective. I'm not sure waht the big differences between BJJ and Vale Tudo are...I have been told they are very similar.

Can someone please help me out or give me some more info on either of these styles?

Thanks

[vipxtrmn8r]

also, the reason i gave my stats is because i thought there might be a style someone my size would be better off choosing

[vipxtrmn8r]

30 views and nobody knows anything about these martial arts? any opinions?

=)

thanks again

[Toudiyama[NL]]

go for Vale Tudo a bit more all round then BJJ

And you are right WC is fun to watch for layman because the techniques look flashy, for other Martial Artists because it lacks the power to do REAL damage

[IPON]

What city did you move to?? It would help to know what schools are availble to you. Also, I would not assume by virtue of moving to a "city" you are going to have some kind of mystical "encounters" or be thrown into a war zone.

Regarding Vale Tudo I don't think that it is a style per se. Vale Tudo was created by Helio Gracie for the NHB challenges he was having with his style of JJ (but I think the name actually came from a reporter overing the matches). When people Teach vale tudo they are teaching the techiques which are best suited for that sport, BJJ of course being he foundation. (anyone please correct me if this is not accurate)

Regarding wing chun/ving tsun....lineage is everything, it is a close quarter fighting style and from my perspective very effective style.

[bartjam]

Hi,

Wing Chun is an effective self-defense system. Even without refined chi-sau drills you can protect yourself against most common street-attacks in 6-10 months. If you want to compete in no-holds-barred (or similar) competitions, go for Vale Tudo: very complete, and also exciting. BJJ is the best ground-fighting style.

It depends upon your goals!

bye
Bartjam

[kengar]

All 3 good arts and has their purpose, I say go VT because it is more hard-nosed and will be very street effective.








ken

[swan104]

Try out and visit as many schools as you can before committing. Choosing a martial doesn't necessarily have to be a random choice! A lot of people on the forum have tried many different arts before settling with one. However, what suits one person may not be what suits you! The only way you'll find out is if you try it out!

Good luck anyway!

[vipxtrmn8r]

yeah people were saying vale tudo is more no holds barred than bjj... does it still incorporate a lot of ground work? i want to be able to defend myself on the ground...but still be able to strike while on my feet as well.

I already consider my self kind of knowledgeable in boxing. I had a heavy bag for a year when i was at home, and read a few books. practiced punching quite a bit.

wing chun is not very effective once the fight goes to the ground is it?

oh, and i moved to Ottawa, Ontario. I looked in the yellow pages and there are quite a few schools/dojos around here. I didn't see much in the way of VT though.

thanks for the responses!

[BadgerFu57]

VT

Vale Tudo is not a style but more of a hybrid. It means "anything goes". Basically it takes the groundwork of Jiu-Jitsu, Striking of Boxing and Muay Thai, throws of Judo/Sambo, Takedowns of wrestling, and puts it all in one package. Now of course, each school is going to be different because it's more of a philosophy than a system..... Most BJJ schools teach VT and most VT schools teach BJJ.... Just do both. Sport BJJ has a gi on and is a bit more technical, VT is without a gi and is a bit more strength. That's the biggest difference IMHO.

[gracilva]

if you pick bjj just make sure they also teach standup fighting, takedowns etc, not just groundfighting.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Re: VT

Originally posted by BadgerFu57
Vale Tudo is not a style but more of a hybrid. It means "anything goes". Basically it takes the groundwork of Jiu-Jitsu, Striking of Boxing and Muay Thai, throws of Judo/Sambo, Takedowns of wrestling, and puts it all in one package. Now of course, each school is going to be different because it's more of a philosophy than a system..... Most BJJ schools teach VT and most VT schools teach BJJ.... Just do both. Sport BJJ has a gi on and is a bit more technical, VT is without a gi and is a bit more strength. That's the biggest difference IMHO.

first: he didn't have the coise for VT just WC
Second: VT more strength??? sorry but I can't imagine any groundfighting art ( or one that has a lot of it like Judo) having less strength than VT
Also if Vale Tudo uses MT techniques than that is more strength than VT too
VT's effectiveness relies for the most part on speed and multiple technique attacks, like making 5 punches but they are done so fast that the hips and shoulders aren't used, in actuality they aren't even punches but strikes
Someone used to taking pucheswon't be knocked down by them

Oh and I think it is the other way around for the schools, most VT schools teach BJJ because they consider it an augment on their training

[bartjam]

Originally posted by vipxtrmn8r


wing chun is not very effective once the fight goes to the ground is it?

Emin Boztepe's WingTzun or Salih Avci's WingTsun stress also on groundfighting techniques for *SELF-DEFENSE*: that's to say, your goal is not to subdue your opponent and "win", but to escape from an aggressor. You eye-gouge, bite, you hit genitals and so on. It's useless for competitions, but it works against a mob. The same thing you can find in Paul Vunak's Kino-Mutai/JKD for the ground.
Most of UFC/NHB matches end up on the ground. But reality ambushes or challenges rarely do. At least, this is my personal experience.

[IPON]

I agree with Bartjam about wingchun. There are alot of styles in ottawa, I just did a search:

http://listingsca.com/Ontario/Ottawa-Region/Sports_and_Recreation/Martial/

the 2 wingchun schools have lineage to augustine fong (this school also teached JJJ) and moy yat..good stuff.

I didn't see anything for BJJ but it is probably in the phone book like you said.

I would go to the winchun schools and ask how do they handle ground fights. Most practioners would basically say they cannot be taken off their base...but it can happen.

Also, have you considered into judo or filipino martial arts....there are some schools listed as well....I think it would be at least worth a look.

And ask questions, if the instructor doesn't like the questions it's usually because they do not have an answer. Good luck!!

[vipxtrmn8r]

Ok say I all the sudden became interested in fighting in little competitions..nothing super pro...just for fun... how many months/years would it be before i could fight somebody with VT and Wing Chun?

thanks agian for all the posts...this is really helping quite a bit.

and thanks for the link to schools in ottawa!