Best combination of arts.

[darrianation]

The Brazilian arts are the best. I would definately choose Capoeira for it's deadly striking skills. The Lambada (forbidden dance) for the clinch work. And finally BJJ for the ground skills. It's a total Brazilian art. j/k

Nah, I'd take up OJKD for the standup and JKDC for weapons and grappling.

Hey I like it, know just throw some salsa on that and you have one deadly burrito!

[Tom Yum]

Hey I like it, know just throw some salsa on that and you have one deadly burrito!

Why stop with burritos when you can make fajitas?

Get a lean cut of beef. Marinate overnight in Dos Equis Cerveza, lime, salt, black pepper, garlic, diced cilantro and a small amount of vinegar for taste.

Pre-heat a skillet with a generous serving of butter - add in diced onions, bell pepper, mushrooms and a jalapeno or 2, flavor with salt. When done, put in small bowl.

Get your grill going and slam that cut of beef on top! THAT'S ONE MEAN GRILL

[Tom Yum]

Back to the issue, originally all traditional martial arts included several functional fighting ranges.

I read somewhere that orignal karate included alot of sweeps and takedowns, and used modified kata moves while sparring full contact. It was a quote from either Chojun Miyagi or Gichin Funakoshi. He then went on to say that the karate he saw being taught to Highschool students 15+ years later was allmost unrecognizable from the way he taught it; kids could develop discipline and fitness without practicing deadly techniques or hurt each other sparring.

The quote went on to say that simplicity is the best. Over the years karate splintered and became more watered down each time. I got this info from a writer on the Geoff Thompson website.

I've also heard that in Japan, Karate and Judo are taught together (or used to be) while kenpo/jujitsu were also.

Since alot of Karate or TKD (not all) is watered down, I'd say boxing/muay thai/wrestling/judo would be a good group to choose from for empty hand fighting.

[darrianation]

Why stop with burritos when you can make fajitas?

Get a lean cut of beef. Marinate overnight in Dos Equis Cerveza, lime, salt, black pepper, garlic, diced cilantro and a small amount of vinegar for taste.

Pre-heat a skillet with a generous serving of butter - add in diced onions, bell pepper, mushrooms and a jalapeno or 2, flavor with salt. When done, put in small bowl.

Get your grill going and slam that cut of beef on top! THAT'S ONE MEAN GRILL

You get that grill fired up and I'll bring the beer! Who's going to bring the Senoritas ?

[Tom Yum]

You get that grill fired up and I'll bring the beer! Who's going to bring the Senoritas ?

Beware Sherwinc appearing at the door with a wig

[tekshow]

i'd like to say that while i don't like mexican food that much i love barbecuing in the summer time. i like using real wood or that Lazzari mesquite wood charcoal that burns like a fire.... it doesn't even feel like work and i'll go and grab some meat from a local butcher and grill it up while enjoying a good ale.
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now back to the topic:


I used to be in the "this art is best" faith and then i soon came to realize i don't really like styles, but i like certain things from each that i latch onto, work into my muscle memory and use it when the situation arises.

one exception to my new found martial openess is this: i must be learning consistently how to fend and apply techniques in all martial ranges. Weapons, feet, hands, knees/bows, grappling/standup, ground fighting... etc....

i take lameco/kali to get versatile at weapons and some empty hand
muay thai, western boxing, jkd and WC to get really good at empty hand
bjj, dumag, shooto, judo to get really good at grappling and close range.


above all, i love Tai Chi the most. Tai Chi lends its principles to life and other aspects of martial arts when taught right it can be the most versatile weapon in your arsenal. i'm not talking typical old people in the park jazz. real combatitive tai chi includes the forms, important Yi Chuan standing practice, Qi Gong and push hands. It gives you greater body connectivity, increased strength, mental and spiritual awareness and some amazing balance and fluidity...


i don't know how to quantify it in that it's more of the aspects of tai chi and the concepts that feed my external art game; especially things like BJJ where you need to emplore the same type of sticking, following, leading, evading and sensitive energies when you roll on the mat. it's a very relaxed way of fighting. I can roll for a whole hour and be moderately sweating and have all my breath left, while some of my external only training partners are huffin and puffin... i could pretty much be happy with giving up everything but Tai Chi and BJJ and i don't think my MA game would suffer... definitely try it if you've got a good solid teacher around...



just my humble O,
tekshow

[darrianation]

Beware Sherwinc appearing at the door with a wig

Augggghhhh! Now how do I get that image out of my head? I don't think there is enough tequila in the world to get me that drunk!

[El Mastero]

Augggghhhh! Now how do I get that image out of my head? I don't think there is enough tequila in the world to get me that drunk!

That's your first mistake buddy. You need to hit a bottle of Bacardi. Good old Puerto Rican rum. That'll kill all those annoying brain cells that deal with short or long term memory.

[gregimotis]

Ahem, I have something to add...

[manofleisure]

I have a diffrent opinion.........

through my brief observation of different martial arts I have come top see a few that might fit my style for combative but martial arts that still have some traditional feel to them.

Out of pencak silat, JJJ, schuai chiao, kali, what would some of the forum members recommend would be the superior art somewhat with greater number of effective techniques for all around self defense against grapplers,weapons,strikers, multiple attackers, et cetra.

Would other forum members please drop their opinions on any other arts that are very effective and complete fighting systems.

[darrianation]

That's your first mistake buddy. You need to hit a bottle of Bacardi. Good old Puerto Rican rum. That'll kill all those annoying brain cells that deal with short or long term memory.

Well the short term memory is already gone. Damn it what's the name of this forum?

[darrianation]

I have learned a few things in the many years I have studied MAs and one of them is whether it be in the ring or the streets keep things simple.

Through studying street fights by others and myself I have learned there are three areas of skills that need to be learned:

1) Striking
2) Grappling
3) Weapons

Because of my experience, experimentation, and observation in ring fighting, street fighting and in the gym I have found the skill sets that work best for me, and I believe will work as good as anything for most people.

These are my skill sets the ones I practice.

Striking

The first thing that comes into my head when I think about the simplest gross motor skilled techniques for striking is boxing.

Boxing style strikes are the most often used techniques in a street fight (by trained and untrained fighters alike), they are easiest to use, and simplest to learn. Boxing gives us good head and body movement to avoid strikes, good footwork (but not fancy footwork), changing angles of attack, and excellent punching skills.

Another one that comes to mind is Muay Thai because it gives us a few more options (natural weapons). It gives knees, elbows, shins, effective strong low level kicks, and domination in the clinch.

I personally like Muay Thai with a strong emphasis on boxing skills.

Of course this isn’t totally complete either. We need to add some nasty stuff to the mix like eye strikes, throat strike, head buts, palm, strikes, and biting.


Grappling

We all know that many fights go to the ground, why? I think the simplest answer is people do not like being hit especially untrained fighters and to a lesser extent trained fighters. So, they will try to grab you by either clinching or going for a headlock, some might even try to tackle you. They sense less risk of being hit in the face by doing this. Of course there are other reasons too.

When I think of the most gross motor skilled movements and techniques in grappling I immediately think of wrestling. Why? Because wrestling doesn’t have very many if any fancy movements or indirect defenses or attacks.

Why I like wrestling? Wrestling is based on position and control, wrestlers deal well in the clinch, are experts at avoiding takedowns like shoot-ins and tackles, and have great balance on their feet.

Grappling skills should enable you to avoid takedowns and tackles, gain control of your opponent quickly if on the ground, then to either escape to your feet, or to submit him as fast as possible. What are good systems for this?

Wrestling is great for avoiding takedowns and gaining position and control of your attacker but not real great for submissions.

So what about submissions? The easiest way to submit your attacker on the ground is to gain control (top position) and pummel him with palm strikes, punches, elbows, and head buts to his face or to the back of his head. From a side position or north/south position you can easily add knee strikes (if on top). If you are on the bottom then escape/reverse or if that isn’t possible then eye gouge, bite, scratch, twist and break fingers.

Sometimes this may not be enough. We may need some other skills like chokes and joint locks. The first thing that comes to my mind here is submission wrestling, or BJJ.

You should know 2-3 joint locks/chokes and their associated counters from different positions, such as the guard/mount/side mount/etc. As well as escapes and reverses from the guard.

* You do need to know more than one response to any given attack but don’t get carried away.

A note on BJJ: I don’t think you need to know the techniques beyond the blue belt level but if you do, well of course that’s good too.

I like grappling with emphasis in staying on your feet, controlling the clinch, and escaping back to your feet if taken down, or a slip and fall.

Empty hand techniques (striking/grappling)

I like a good mixture of MT/boxing for striking (with some specialized strikes thrown in) and a mix of wrestling/submission wrestling for ground fighting.

Weapons

So what about weapons? I think the three most beneficial weapons to know are the gun, knife, and stick.

When I think of knife and stick fighting I think of Arnis. Arnis has simpler footwork than most other weapons based systems and deal more with direct attacks. However I am not a big fan the Arnis Mano-Mano, although it draws its empty hand techniques based on weapons movements (which I do like) I just think boxing/MT is better. But remember MT movements and weapons movement go together very well remember Krabi Kabong? Now Arnis has some drawbacks too, but if you exchange the pre-arranged drills with more full contact live action drills like what the Dog brothers do then you are in business. Also I think single stick is more practical than double stick for self-defense.

I like modern Arnis with emphasis on single stick, knife training, and of course full contact, and live action drills incorporated into scenarios.

There are other practical systems that teach knife and stick as well or maybe even better than Arnis but that is another post/thread.

Defensive firearms training

Of all the above skills I think firearms are the easiest to learn however it is probably the most affected by fine motor skill (the act of aiming, breathing, and trigger squeeze). So, this needs a lot of attention through marksmanship, live action drills, and realistic scenarios.

* Don’t forget to practice recognizing and using improvised weapons. Also train in the use of PPAs, chemical sprays, stun guns, and any other weapon that you carry for self-defense.

Regardless of what MA you study, or where you draw your techniques from if you have the goal of self-defense then remember the big four:


1) Gross motor skilled techniques and movements
2) Live action drills
3) Realistic “plausible” scenarios
4) Striking, grappling, and weapons (the ones most your most likely to carry or use in SD).

[Tom Yum]

through my brief observation of different martial arts I have come top see a few that might fit my style for combative but martial arts that still have some traditional feel to them.

Out of pencak silat, JJJ, schuai chiao, kali, what would some of the forum members recommend would be the superior art somewhat with greater number of effective techniques for all around self defense against grapplers,weapons,strikers, multiple attackers, et cetra.

Would other forum members please drop their opinions on any other arts that are very effective and complete fighting systems.

No offense, but I don't understand why you ask for which style is best, when you could easily get up, visit a school, try it out and see for yourself. There are alot of great gyms and great instructors out there.

Don't waste time debating here. Do it for real.

[El Luchador]

Shoot Wrestling , KickBoxing , Arnis & Kendo

[hEmPY]

I think I could try any MA for self-defence even capoeira, but when things go worst I jus' get into boxin stance