Would Bruce Lee win UFC fights had he been still alive and willing to compete?

[Ephraim]

Questions without answers are fantasy.

Would Bruce Lee have won UFC fights? Perhaps.

Would Al Gore have invaded Iraq? Perhaps.

Would Confucious have clarified his puzzles? Perhaps.

For every choice, there is an indefinite number of consequences. If observation of a decision-maker is unavailable, the only method of accurately determining the outcome of a choice is to make it. Bruce Lee's corpse status cripples the ability to observe and perform accurate measurements. This topic's question will then always result in a moot answer.

[47MartialMan]

Questions without answers are fantasy.

Would Bruce Lee have won UFC fights? Perhaps.

Would Al Gore have invaded Iraq? Perhaps.

Would Confucious have clarified his puzzles? Perhaps.

For every choice, there is an indefinite number of consequences. If observation of a decision-maker is unavailable, the only method of accurately determining the outcome of a choice is to make it. Bruce Lee's corpse status cripples the ability to observe and perform accurate measurements. This topic's question will then always result in a moot answer.

Thanks....this sums it up for me.....

[fenwick99]

re:realism and UFC

Seriously, I do not believe that Bruce Lee could have defeated the likes of Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney, or Marco Ruas. It is impossible for a 135-pound man to do certain things. A 135-lb. strongman could never press 900 pounds like the current record-holder.
To me, the value of Bruce's teaching lies in the conceptual and intellectual framework he superimposed over the arts, not in who he could beat up. Please remember, acc. to Jim D., Bruce believed that a real fight should last two seconds or less. That is true. The guy may have a bootknife, he may have buddies in the area, he may be related to 3/4 of the law enforcement in the locale-- so you want to dispatch him as if crushing a bee, and then get the hell out of there. Yes, guns are more effective than anything else, but people who advocate "combat handgunning" have yet to explain to me how I or anyone, other than an off-duty cop or a retired sheriff, could actually shoot a man to death in a street fight and not go to jail for 20 years. Since I am not an off-duty cop, my idea is to be unarmed and to bust a knee or tear up a shoulder joint very quickly-- nonlethal but utterly devastating attacks,and 100% effective. But in order to dispatch someone instantly, one must close instantly w/o being heavily countered. That is where Bruce was way ahead of any other teacher. Bruce turned "closing the gap" into a science.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Seriously, I do not believe that Bruce Lee could have defeated the likes of Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney, or Marco Ruas. It is impossible for a 135-pound man to do certain things. A 135-lb. strongman could never press 900 pounds like the current record-holder.
To me, the value of Bruce's teaching lies in the conceptual and intellectual framework he superimposed over the arts, not in who he could beat up. Please remember, acc. to Jim D., Bruce believed that a real fight should last two seconds or less. That is true. The guy may have a bootknife, he may have buddies in the area, he may be related to 3/4 of the law enforcement in the locale-- so you want to dispatch him as if crushing a bee, and then get the hell out of there. Yes, guns are more effective than anything else, but people who advocate "combat handgunning" have yet to explain to me how I or anyone, other than an off-duty cop or a retired sheriff, could actually shoot a man to death in a street fight and not go to jail for 20 years. Since I am not an off-duty cop, my idea is to be unarmed and to bust a knee or tear up a shoulder joint very quickly-- nonlethal but utterly devastating attacks,and 100% effective. But in order to dispatch someone instantly, one must close instantly w/o being heavily countered. That is where Bruce was way ahead of any other teacher. Bruce turned "closing the gap" into a science.

Seriously, I do not believe that Bruce Lee could have defeated the likes of Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Keith Hackney, or Marco Ruas. It is impossible for a 135-pound man to do certain things. A 135-lb. strongman could never press 900 pounds like the current record-holder.

Although I also don't believe Bruce Lee would ever be able to defeat any of these guys,I also don't think his size has anything to do with it.Size means shit whether in competition or a real fight,it's all about what you can or can't do and how good you are at what you do.People train differently now as they did in his time.

Besides Royce Gracie was only 135lbs and he beat just about all his opponents in UFC despite their size.

Sure Bruce Lee was a good martial artist and probably a good fighter too but as far as I'm concerned he was still overrated.Besides Bruce Lee made good points about martial arts in his speaches and claimed many things but not once did he prove anything in the ring.Bruce Lee didn't believe in competition so no one really can say how good he was.

You're right a 135 lb strong man could never lift 900 lbs,but most huge body builder guys can't either.Infact the most weight I've ever heard of anyone lifting is about 650 to 700,if you're talking about squats,and maybe a few can bench it but that's very few people.Even most roid junkies can't lift that much and I've definitely never seen or heard of anyone that can curl that much weight.I know it's possible to lift that much when it comes to leg press though,because even though I'm only 180lbs even I can do 700lbs with leg press so 900lbs is probably not much in that case but I doubt you were talking about leg presses.

the value of Bruce's teaching lies in the conceptual and intellectual framework he superimposed over the arts, not in who he could beat up.

I agree 100%

Bruce believed that a real fight should last two seconds or less.

He believed it but did he ever prove it was possible? I doubt it.

The only way to win a fight in only two seconds is if you cheap shot the guy,for example if you're dancing with a girl in club and from behind somebody comes up to you smokes you or smashes beer bottle on head.

Saying a fight should last only two seconds is being unrealistic,it's not as if your opponent is just going stand there and let you hit him,doesn't work that way.The chances of knocking someone out with one punch is very small.

Bruce Lee was unrealistic about many things but also realistic about many things.

Bruce turned "closing the gap" into a science.

He wasn't the first person to do that and I'm sure he won't be the last.Martial arts did exist even way before his time.

[MuayThaiFighter]

I like Popeye's chances better... I mean after the spinach, who knows the UFC would never be the same.

HA HA HA HA,pretty funny.That's a good one budd.

[Spider Web]

Bruce Lee and the UFC...

The wonderful thing about democracy is we're all entitled to our opinion. With that being said, I don't care who, what, when or where Bruce Lee would have fought, HE WOULD HAVE PREVAILED!
His speed, athleticism, quickness, toughness and INSTINCT, was and remains unmatched.
Respectfully!

[jubaji]

The wonderful thing about democracy is we're all entitled to our opinion. With that being said, I don't care who, what, when or where Bruce Lee would have fought, HE WOULD HAVE PREVAILED!
His speed, athleticism, quickness, toughness and INSTINCT, was and remains unmatched.
Respectfully!

You're sitting on phone books to reach the keyboard, aren't you?

[Spider Web]

"The chances of knocking someone out with one punch is very small."

I beg to differ with you here my friend. I have three presonal acquaintances I have seen accomplish this on a couple of different occassions, and they definitely were not sucker punches. And I do not subscribe to the idea that these three guys are the exception to the rule. I always assume any opponet is quite capable of putting me to sleep with one punch. Be careful not to buy into this belief.

"The only way to win a fight in only two seconds is if you cheap shot the guy,for example if you're dancing with a girl in club and from behind somebody comes up from behind and smashes you."

Frank Dux and a host of other's are quite able to affirm this as a mathmatical certainty. There is a huge difference in what some people believe and what is the truth.

Goodluck!

[Ronson]

Chris, Chris, Chris.

I thought you were cool man.

You're a bit of an enigma. You have this fervent belief that Bruce Lee was indestructable (tough yes, but unbeatable?) and you cited Frank Dux man! Frank Dux? The douche of MA (Mike Tyson would have been sufficient). You do know that "Bloodsport" is a work of fiction right?

But at the same time, you have the good sense to enroll in a BJJ class. I hope it smartens you up and rids you of these delusions!

[Spider Web]

"You're a bit of an enigma. You have this fervent belief that Bruce Lee was indestructable (tough yes, but unbeatable?)"

You know Ronson I guess I should be more careful how I word things. Since I obviously didn't know Bruce Lee and certainly have no first hand knowledge of what his true ability was I should not be so adamant about how he would have fared in the UFC had he even participated. However, it look 's at least at this point that half the folks voting feel he would at least fared okay. I don't know. I was only giving my opinion which is obviously based on all the hype surrounding his legacy.

As far as the Frank Dux comment, it just seemed that I remember at the end of Blood Sport that a caption appeared acknowledging some of his accomplishments in regard to record fast knockout's ect., I'm sure you probably remember (providing you seen the movie) what I'm talking about.

Maybe I need to just resort back to my nature in regard to public forum's: READ ONLY!

Thanks for your reply.
Chris

[Ronson]

Maybe I need to just resort back to my nature in regard to public forum's: READ ONLY! - Chris.

I'm just playin' and I'm not the internet forum police. Post all you like. You need a thicker skin man!

But seriously, Frank Dux is a douche. I remember those stats. cited at the end of the movie too - big F_CKIN' deal. They can't be verified by any objective and legitamate 3rd party.

[Spider Web]

I had no idea that the information about Frank Dux was probably a fallacy?

"But seriously, Frank Dux is a douche."

I haven't had the time to really follow any of these people's career's. So what's the deal with "Dux being a douche?" All my information about the guy has always came through heresay, but until now I was led to believe he was suppose to be the real deal? Guess not. To be honest I know nothing about the guy other than they made a movie about him.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

[fenwick99]

re;what is realism?

My understanding is that powerlifter Craig Rychak bench presses 900 lbs.
That is the current record.
I know leg pressing 900 is nothing, as I can leg-press 900 about 50 reps myself.
Also, some giant Canadian bodybuilder, whose name I do not now recall, can
military press close to 600. I am not comment on what sort of "vitamin S"
is necessary to take to get this strong-- I am just stating the fact.
Of course, the two-second fight is an ideal. But Bruce himself took out several men in challeges with one punch or kick each. Bruce devastated the karate sensei in 11 seconds.
Note: if you can blow out a guy's ACL with a Thai kick or rip up his shoulder with a palm strike, he will be disabled. I know because I know people who know. I have several friends who have choked guys out in a few seconds after slipping the lead hook.

[Cobra_nVidia]

My 2 cents,

Bruce Lee would have done fine in the UFC. Of course, his "movie style" wouldn't have done so well, and neither would his JKD, but, of course, he was all about adapting, so he would have done whatever he thought would make him win the fight.

Is Bruce Lee the greatest martial artist ever? Hardly. In his time, maybe. But martial artists are not just the people who use the ancient warrior arts for competitions. Actually, those aren't martial artists, those are sportmen.

[47MartialMan]

i always find it stange on whom could have defeated or be defeated by whom long after someone is too old or dead.