why take downs?

[IPON]

Exxessiveforce - Thanks I understand your sperspectivbe now.

[eXcessiveForce]

If I got into an altercation at a local pub, several things have gone wrong. I am actually very passive and attempt to avoid trouble when ever I can. I would try to leave. But if someone attacked me and started trying to beat my head into the floor I would do what ever it took to stop them.

I have faced someone with a gun, it was verbally de-escalated.
I have faced someone who was much larger than me, who followed me home. (they did not realize I had a gun in my hand on the other side of the door.) It was verbally de escalated.
I have faced someone with a knife. Verbally de escalated.

I have let people attack me only to walk away from them without throwing anything. Why because they didn't hurt me and I was able to walk away.

It is not bravado, it is fact. If you make me fear, and put me in danger, I will do what ever it takes to ensure my safety.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by eXcessiveForce

I have faced someone with a gun, it was verbally de-escalated.
I have faced someone who was much larger than me, who followed me home. (they did not realize I had a gun in my hand on the other side of the door.) It was verbally de escalated.
I have faced someone with a knife. Verbally de escalated.

I have let people attack me only to walk away from them without throwing anything. Why because they didn't hurt me and I was able to walk away.

All of which supports my assertion that you ain't gonna be gutting nobody, big mouth.

[eXcessiveForce]

Avoidance is not the same thing as not being willing to do what it takes.

I have nothing to prove, and I value myself more than anyone else on the planet.

Training for defense is not training for the ring. It is not about winning it is about staying safe and surviving. Maybe you should start evaluating what you are really training for.

[falcon3624]

You should have grown up down here in south Louisiana. They don't talk they just start hitting so there is no time to get out of a fight with you mouth.

[smith&wesson]

One has to be more concrate! What kind of street fight is meant here. A robbery? Or trouble in a bar that ends up in a fight outside?
In my opinion there is only one specification in street fights: a single or multiple opponents plus armed or unarmed.
With a single opponent you can alwys if being a good fighter, doesn't matter if yiu use a takedown or not. In a multiple confrontation I would choose the shortest way out of the situation (not interested in having a knife in my back).

[Cain]

i just hate it when people say: "well, if you try to train against several attackers, you're stupid, you just have to run!"....
you see kiddos.. you CAN NOT ALWAYS run.. ok? there are situations where you have to take the fight on.. where you can't run.. ok.. so why not train for it? ...

[MrPoopy]

you should learn takedowns just so you know how to avoid them and get used to grappling on your feet.

grapplers stand a better chance than anyone of staying on their feet in a fight.

[smith&wesson]

Originally posted by Cain
i just hate it when people say: "well, if you try to train against several attackers, you're stupid, you just have to run!"....
you see kiddos.. you CAN NOT ALWAYS run.. ok? there are situations where you have to take the fight on.. where you can't run.. ok.. so why not train for it? ...

It is always your choice. You can not train for it cos you don't know if they have weapons. Finish three of four and the fourth shoots a hole in your head ... What an ending.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
I value myself more than anyone else on the planet.

oh, I'm sure you do...

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Cain
i just hate it when people say: "well, if you try to train against several attackers, you're stupid, you just have to run!"....
you see kiddos.. you CAN NOT ALWAYS run.. ok? there are situations where you have to take the fight on.. where you can't run.. ok.. ...

'bout time somebody said this!

[eXcessiveForce]

You are absolutely right Cain. You can train for multiple attackers. Just don't think that it's a good Idea to try and take on multiples.

No matter what you have to do what you have to do.

however

People who look for fights find them. People who avoid them live longer.

[grubbogoppoly]

That is so true excessive.

[IFellOnScissors]

I think the discussion about takedowns and grappling is one that will never have a difinitive answer. Someone will always have a point one way or the other.

I do, however, have my own thoughts on it. I practice martial arts to make myself a more well rounded person. I think that there is no such thing as too much knowledge and more knowledge in regards to martial arts makes me a better practitioner. I have mostly trained in striking styles but have been luccky enough to have some instructors with varied training in grappling and throwing. I value that training as much as any. I also think that if you ever think there is even a small chance that a technique could be useful when it comes to a situation that may save you from becoming a victim, I say learn it and learn it well. It couldn't hurt and it might even be a lot of fun! I don't think that any martial artist should go about their training with the attitude that "this is enough to keep me safe" A little knowledge can be deadly...false sense of security and all.

That's enough from me for now. Take care y'all!

[Sticksnstones]

Does your instructor expect you to learn to defend against takedowns without learning takedowns? wtf?

Excellent point! You learn takedowns to defend takedowns. Just like learning ground-fighting to defend against ground attacks.

Learn takedowns to give you another option and to make you a multi-diminsional fighter! What if an opponent is a superior striker? I think the answer is obvious.


John