spinning back kicks

[cokebottle]

as i understand, u're meant to kick with the heel....
since that's where your achilles tendon is, doesn't it hurt when u hit something hard, like their head?

[Nit]

From what I have been taught when you do this you have your foot pointing down, therefore the foot must be pulled right back (up) to display the heel, you strike with the base of the heel (the part that contacts the ground not your tendon) so if you are able to get your leg high enough I think your foot would contact the head before the heel does (unless you can get your toes to touch your shin!)

I have been taught the the back kick should never go above the solar plexus as its too far to go (can be seen coming), begins to lose power above the waist and is too easy to get a bang in teh nuts.

although I sure someone mention some fight from some tournament that won by only back-kicking to the neck or something

oh, in addition it will only hurt as much as when you stamp on the ground with no shoes on with your heel...

[cokebottle]

oops.i actually meant spinning hook kick not spinning back kick.. they're different right?

[eXcessiveForce]

when you hit a head it moves so the force is not transmitted back into your foot. Thus no damage. you would be more likely to get damage from kicking with a spin heel kick instead. But again the head is going to move.

Don't go and kick a telephone pole though because then it is going to hurt, unless you have enough power to break the pole that is. And if you do that Give me a call because i'll be your fight promoter.

[Nit]

Originally posted by cokebottle
oops.i actually meant spinning hook kick not spinning back kick.. they're different right?

Yup, and now I see what you mean...

it would hurt because of what X said above, unless they go an do something crazy like display the top of their head, and then you could potentially break your heel as that part of the head is one of the hardest points of the body (although their neck would probably snap as well, and you'd have to be descending from a jumping spininning hook kick, unless your 7ft tall)...

So if your a 7ft telephone pole snapping Jumping spinning hook kick monster I think I'll be buying shares on you on CelebDac...

[Damian Mavis]

Okli dokli,

Spinning hook kick: Target is the HEAD, weapon is the BACK of the HEEL below the achiles tendon Execution is to turn your shoulder back, chamber your knee bent, lash out with your leg straight as you spin and then rechamber you knee to regain your balance and not to overshoot your kick and leave yourself vulnerable and off balance. This kick is all bone on bone (heel to head) so shouldn't cause injuries BUT I hit my opponent once very hard right on the back of their head, bone on bone and now I have a permanent bruise on my bone (heel) that is not visible but is still tender after a few years when I hit hard things. (not tender enough to keep me from using it though) He went down but later when he showed me what I hit, I hit him smack dab on the bony pointy protrusion on the lower back of the head... and his is even bonier and pointier than most.

Spinning WHEEL kick: Almost the same as spinning hook kick BUT the leg is kept straight at ALL times. This makes it much wider and more visible but has more of a solid hit for lower targets like the legs or torso. This is the kick I see more than spinning hook kick in formats like the K1. The heel is supposed to be the weapon but if you misjudge and get to close or your opponent moves then you could hit with the achiles tendon. This would suck if you went for the legs and they shielded muay thai style but ideally the target is BEHIND the thigh and knee. BUT this should be (and always was used as on the K1) as a surprise technique that catches your opponent off guard. There's more risk of injury with this kick since the lower targets have bony protrusions like the knee and shins when they block but I've seen people win with this kick by taking out their opponents legs.

Spinning back kick: sends it's power straight in to your opponents torso in a direct line so the attacking tool is the BOTTOM of the heel and that weapon is relatively tough. I've been blocked with the knee or elbow and didn't feel a thing.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[cokebottle]

thanks for the replies.
i dont think i'll be kicking any telephone polls just yet. just give me a couple of weeks.

[JP Prideaux]

Threw a hook kick on impulse once when my opponent closed in quicker than i expected and my stance was off since i was prepping a side kick. Just brought it up and around hit him on the neck just under his jaw (near the ear).

Stumbled back, turned away and didnt want to continue. over.

[retired]

Someone once said to me when i was doing open martial arts point-fighting that a hook kick is totally crap!!!!
So i threw one while sparring & caught the guy on the lip & his tooth made a hole clean through his lower lip.

Oops