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what exactly is sanda?
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Boxing will probably win cause they are known for their HUMAN DUMMIES....Originally posted by amadeus
but on top of the table Boxing will instantly defeat and fall......
Here is another great example for a prefered fighting place.....
In the RailRoad Track RailWay..... there, lets see if what crying style will the boxer to scream in pain when he fights with a KungFu.......
no, i am just here to help you to open your eyes to the truth, in order for you to wake up cause you are living in a dreamworld.....Originally posted by amadeusComment
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meaning, once you've hit by a hand attack, yourself stun for a matter of half-second - especially when you hit in the 108 death cavities, we dont waste our time to lapse that halfsecond we already launched another 3 follow-up chain punchings....... and before your body recover for another halfsecond stun - Biu Jee to both of your eyes is already landed......Originally posted by Nick
KungFu has a very stable/solid stance compare to boxing.....Originally posted by Nick
KungFu has a very powerful hand attack compare to boxing.....
the only problem is, you dont know how, cause for just 6 months of training is enough......
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Boxing is good and applicable only inside the ring with rules...... then they are brave to fight KungFu if their fighting place is inside the ring with rules with gloves with referree breaks with enourmous amount of fight rounds......
Both of Boxing and KungFu get you two out of the ring and continue your fighting on top of the 1meter by 4meters hard table......Comment
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How do you know they were crappy!
You are right not all Sanda fighters are suck, but the ones I met were not crappy, it's just that these arts tend to teach more than what you need in a real fight, I mean competition fights(street fights are a diffrent story), for instance I saw them spending so much time practicing how to defend against an agressor with a knife* using some super fancy Hollywood moves, or they spend a whole session breaking wooden boards or practicing how to defend against multiple agressors, all of this is just pure waist of time and gives the illusion to many that they are prepared like war machines. Then when it comes to a simple "one to one fight" nothing works for them, all fancy and spectacular moves but no substance!Originally posted by sanshou2
*There is nowhere on earth that one can defend himself bear hands against even a mediocre aggressor with a knife, chances to succeed are so little, and not even having a knife as well doesn't put him on an equal level, then maybe just when having long weapons such as a long blade or sticks such as Fillippinian arnis de mano(which I also practiced), but then when and where the hell would one carry such weapons on him. So if the Sanda is the chinese answer to Kickboxing or is Chinese Kickboxing then they should stick to effective and substantial training, instead of useless stuff!
There is one thing I noticed in my years of practice, and I have practiced all over the world for more than 15 years, more people from Karate, Tae Kwando and closer disciplines would switch to Muay Thai than those from Kung Fu and similar, it seems like a cultural thing, kung fu people tend to be more traditional and conservative hence more strict about their philosophies than others, and normally they do not like to admit that combat sports are more efficient!
The examples in MMA are just too many to deny this, many times we have seen Kung Fu guys jumping in the ring showing so much confidence that lasted, not few minutes I say, few seconds in the first round against Thai boxers!
There is only one thing that counts: Facts speak louder than words!
But yet maybe, you are right, the ones I met were the crappy ones!
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Sanda is Kickboxing in a Chinese version!
well DragonT, Sanda is China's answer to kickboxing, Being that in the last 20 years kick boxing and Muay Thai became very popular and took over Martial arts. Kung Fu was so popular in the seventies and early eighties, but started loosing popularity since the first successes of movies like "Kickboxer" with J.C Van Damme. that launched on a very wide scale K.boxing and M.T.Originally posted by DrAgOn-T
At the end Sanda is Kickboxing in a Chinese version.
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Sherwinc:
Many Japanese/Chinese stances keep their feet on one line instead of two, which compromises their balance significantly. Compared to the boxing stance, the Kung Fu stance, assuming it's a one line stance, is feeble compared to the two line, boxing stance.
Second, Kung Fu's punches do not compare to boxing's in power in the least. Boxing uses the entire body to punch, hwereas those Wing Chun-esque punches you talk about merely use the arm.
Also, I still don't see what the body's having 80% water has to do with "death cavities" or anything we're talking about.
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Wrong!!!!! ChiDianBun Stance and steppings has a similar look at the WingChun and NgoChoKun...... But ChiDianBun its sister-art is HikTaiChiChuan so we have also a similar steppings and stance in TaiChi......Originally posted by Nick
ChiDianBun steppings has also a similarity to a steppings Western Boxing and JeetKuneDo stepping of BruceLee....... but, we have no JUMPING and HOPPING, cause jumping and hopping, skipping is a very eshausting,
we are into quick-steps as well as shifting stance to another stance...... stricktly no jumping and hopping........
not to mention the KiaBeSe (Horse Riding Stance) which is more stable stillness stance compare to boxing...........
Another Wrong!!!!!Originally posted by Nick
we have Iron Palm (NgoChoKun's Pioneer weapon)
we have Phoenix-Eyed Fists (Chi Dian Bun's Specialty)
we have Poison Hand (but i dont know how to use it yet)
we have Southern Eagles Claw (but my instructor doesnt teach us)
not to mention Scientific / ShadowLess / Non-telegraphic hand & feet attacks
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can you match these with your boxing hand attacks????
while in you boxing hand attacks has no power.......
another form of western boxing fighting disadvantages.......Originally posted by Nick
i already told you to quit boxing and learn kungfu
for you to CONVINCED........Comment
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Very exotic terms, it sounds very interesting!
[QUOTE=sherwinc]Wrong!!!!! ChiDianBun Stance and steppings has a similar look at the WingChun and NgoChoKun...... But ChiDianBun its sister-art is HikTaiChiChuan so we have also a similar steppings and stance in TaiChi......
ChiDianBun steppings has also a similarity to a steppings Western Boxing and JeetKuneDo stepping of BruceLee....... but, we have no JUMPING and HOPPING, cause jumping and hopping, skipping is a very eshausting,
we are into quick-steps as well as shifting stance to another stance...... stricktly no jumping and hopping........
not to mention the KiaBeSe (Horse Riding Stance) which is more stable stillness stance compare to boxing...........
Another Wrong!!!!!
we have Iron Palm (NgoChoKun's Pioneer weapon)
we have Phoenix-Eyed Fists (Chi Dian Bun's Specialty)
we have Poison Hand (but i dont know how to use it yet)
we have Southern Eagles Claw (but my instructor doesnt teach us)
not to mention Scientific / ShadowLess / Non-telegraphic hand & feet attacks
Sorry to desappoint you Sherwinc but you are in complete Science Fiction which I've never seen the substance! Exotic terms, yes, but what you say is completely unknown to us could u explain a little more, why don't you take boxing classes on the side all you have to learn is Jabs, hooks and uppercuts, and they really work, trust me, then take all the time to perfect your poisonous other fists!
I did a bit of Kung fu, but I'd rather stick to what worked for me always, Muay Thai!
Ciao
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Originally posted by sherwinc
(who the **** fights on a table top or a rail way tie!?!? dude yer a moron!!Comment
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Movies... fiction!
This is all movie stuff!Originally posted by sherwinc
What about UNDERWATER Fighting! Have you ever tried that?
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All right:
Boxing, their might be hopping, but Muay Thai their isn't, plus our foot work is great. Most styles cross their legs or gallop when they move, but Muay Thai or boxing, probably move the closest foot to the direction they want to move, then the other foot, preserving balance.
Now, you mentioned that your style shifts stances? Well boxing/Muay Thai doesn't it remains the same, keeping balance, always.
The horse stance more stable?? Only in one direction. Also, you can't really fight in it.
As for the hand techniques, they are all just different techniques. Making your hands impervious to pain with Iron Palm or scratching someone with Eagle's Claw does not make them more powerful. If you only punch with your arm, your power will remain pathetic.
I tell you, quit Kung Fu and learn Muay Thai, are you CONVINCED?????!!??
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hopping in boxing is a matter of style. Some instructors believe it is the best thing since the invention of the jab, while others say it is the dumbest thing you can do. Personally I'm not much of a hopper, but have been known to do it it certain situations.Comment
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This is a very important quote that you comment....... i really love to hear a non-kungfu martial arts sayingOriginally posted by Boxiados
"your art is completely unknown to us"
cause we have the advantages when it comes to TECHNIQUES......
i really love to hear/read this.......Comment
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I'd really love for you to try and grow an open mind. And for the record Kung Fu is for bitches who want to pretend they are badasses.Comment
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Fart of the Cobra!
Uknown to us were the terms and fancy hollywopd crap that you keep on talking about such as:Originally posted by sherwinc
-Kiss of the dragon
-Lick of the snake
-fart of the cobra
-kick of the tyger
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No man, you DREAM you have techniques, and you are brain washed by your instructors who don't want to loose the business. Remember that for your instructor if you start beleiving that MT is more efficient than Kung Fu and you leave then for him is a loss of business, I have heard this from many who do Kung Fu, what's your technique if every time you fight a Muay Thai you go down or you surrender?
I told you that science fiction has no application in real fight.
Now why don't you go tour some Muay Thai gyms, you try your techniques and see how they work, then you come tell me how did it go. Until then , please leave "the KISS OF THE DRAGON " to Jet Li!
Amen
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