TKD beats Muay Thai!!, no kidding- video clip

[HuSanYan]

Too polie. Makes me nervous......

hmm, you could be right there

[LiQuiD_PaRaDoX]

hmm, you could be right there

Nothing wrong with being polite now is there?

If it makes ya nervous, then I'm at the advantage ... muwahahha

[HuSanYan]

hahaha.......

[Thai Bri]

Oh ho ho ho.

[HuSanYan]

hee hee hee haw haw haw.
great how threads....
1) start out
2) develop through the middle
3) end up a load of cac like this

[Thai Bri]

Its like life.

You get born, and the world is your oyster. Who knows where it may go or what you may do?

But it soon turns shit and ends in a pointless fashion.

[HuSanYan]

Its like life.

You get born, and the world is your oyster. Who knows where it may go or what you may do?

But it soon turns shit and ends in a pointless fashion.

I couldnt agree more

[JThorne]

having just downloaded the clip I agree that in this particular case the Muay thai fighter was punch drunk by those kicks and therefore was not able to do anything, he got beat, simple as that!.

Thai Boxing is vastly overated imho and I am not surprised that TKD beat it fair and square, the kicks in TKD are way better and this video clip shows that in no uncertain fashion.

Great to see this clip, well done

[Useless]

Nice clip, although totally useless.

You can pull some guy off the street and dress him in Muay Thai gear or any other gear, and make him fight a representative of "another" Martial Art.

That "Muay Thai"- guy was totally useless. Bah! says I...

In this clip the tables have turned...

http://esse.melli.net/~samu/mastercup.mpg

[Ikken Hisatsu]

having just downloaded the clip I agree that in this particular case the Muay thai fighter was punch drunk by those kicks and therefore was not able to do anything, he got beat, simple as that!.

Thai Boxing is vastly overated imho and I am not surprised that TKD beat it fair and square, the kicks in TKD are way better and this video clip shows that in no uncertain fashion.

Great to see this clip, well done

funny, i couldve sworn that when that supposed tkd champ fought genki sudo he got his ass beaten black and blue. oh wait, that happened, but you dont see threads about it. know why? because its nothing special for a tkder to get his ass kicked by a kickboxer or thai fighter. as for the kicks being better- sure. this must be why you see so many snap kicks in K-1. its not like they arent allowed to use them- oh wait, i forgot again. they suck.

[sparring101]

Excellent clip. The TKD fighter displayed much heart and guts. Instead of just taking that initial leg kick, he rushed him; I guess to test him out. And when he failed the test, it's field goal time .

And this style vs. style crap is starting to get old. In my opinion, the ONLY thing that determines "str33t fyght" effectiveness is training. For example, I used to train in Soo Bahk Do (I enjoyed it, and would go back too). The only problem I had with it was lack of application (which I think was school specific, not style-specific). Daily, we would do conditioning to get in better shape, repitition drills, and rehearsed sparring. Sparring, or anything remotely like it, occured only about once or twice a month. We hit the heavy bags even less. Kicking shields were used maybe 5-6 times a month. I learned very useful things, but my point is that for the most part, we practiced theory. We didn't really get to put things together in a sparring session, and that was the biggest problem. The school started to change that, but went out of business soon after. Essentially, regardless of style, whether in competition or on the street, all that matters is how quickly and decisively you respond when the "$hit hits the fan", be it on your feet or on the ground, or with a weapon, or in the ring. And the only way to respond effectively is training right, and dedicating yourself to that training. A block is a block, a punch is a punch, an evade is an evade. It only matters that you can do it when it counts.

HuSanYan: I really want to see those other vids. Please post them in the future. And I have a question for you; what is the weakness with the muay thai stance? The stance shown to me by my MT instructor is very similar to that of western boxing. The only differences are that the hands are at the cheeks instead of at the chin, and then there's the constant weight shift to be ready to attack/defend with everything. We even do similar footwork to boxing, just not as much. I'm only curious because I want to know what's my weakness whenever I assume that stance.

[HuSanYan]

Excellent clip.
HuSanYan: I really want to see those other vids. Please post them in the future. And I have a question for you; what is the weakness with the muay thai stance? The stance shown to me by my MT instructor is very similar to that of western boxing. The only differences are that the hands are at the cheeks instead of at the chin, and then there's the constant weight shift to be ready to attack/defend with everything. We even do similar footwork to boxing, just not as much. I'm only curious because I want to know what's my weakness whenever I assume that stance.

good post sparring.
Now tell us who your usual screen name is?, I doubt you are a real 'new user' here , thats your 1st post??yeah right.
Anyway, I am happy to answer your question, I didnt like the way I was shown the MT stance necause it was too 'square on' for my liking and the way steps are taken felt to stiff and just unatural to me, however, the MT gym i went to was not very good by all accounts and I had my doubts about them. I believe that the MT stance is too upright, rigid and has a far too high a guard, I am sure the high guard is ok for guys under 5ft 10 but who the hell is going to kick over the high guard of someone 6ft 3"??, Hulk Hogan perhaps???,

i also feel that the boxing stance which I have been shown is more sideways on than the square MT stance, this feels better for me. The steps are more natural and allow for the bobbing and weaving and other moves that you cant do in MT because of knees to the head etc..

On an seperate note, many of the MT guys have this stupid thing with regard to thinking that their art is invincible, I would expect this from the Wing Chun camps, just look at the Ikken guy above, threatened to say the least. But then not surprising when you see his posts on bulshido, he's racist aswell
I also found the MT gym to be full of short Oompah Loompah types, all around 5ft 9 and below & straight out of the Willy Wonka Factory, which meant that me knee caps might have been bitten

[Ikken Hisatsu]

he's racist aswell

hold the fucking phone crazy man. I am not racist. I might be an arsehole, foul mouthed, and have a mind like a sewer but I am not racist so **** you. if anything white people (can you be racist against your own race? ) **** me off more, because when we came to this country we were poor and the only people who wanted to know us where the other poor maoris who lived in the govt housing section that we lived in. and now that we make a good living we are "acceptable" to our nice volvo driving neighbours. dont you fucking accuse me of racism.

I dont think thai boxing is invincible either, I know it has weaknesses. the fact that a single video clip of a tkd guy beating a thai fighter creates so much fist pumping in the tkd camp goes to show how rarely this happens. Should I start a thread in the tkd forum every time a tkder gets beaten by a thai fighter? or will that overload the server?

for the stance- really it sounds like you did visit a bad school. usually these kind of schools get beat out because they dont produce any good fighters so it probably wont be around for long. you should never be rigid in your stance, always loose and ready. 6'3 isnt that tall either, especially in kickboxing which tends to attract the tall lanky type. if you want to start a different discussion about the merits of the thai boxing stance feel free to start a new thread instead of clogging this one though.

[JThorne]

I am not racist. if anything white people (can you be racist against your own race? **** me off more

nahh not really, what a dumbo
Uhh, bit of a chip on the shoulder and having to resort to shouting about skin color, durrrrr great.
Get a life Ikken and dont be a hater because you are a half pint Oompah Loompah like HuSanYan correctly and wisely spotted.

I agree with your posts HuSanYan great thread you started here, easy to see who feels threatened here eh??

One up for TKD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sparring101]

good post sparring.
Now tell us who your usual screen name is?, I doubt you are a real 'new user' here , thats your 1st post??yeah right.

Wow, I'm honored . That really was my first post...ever............no, not really. I post in several forums, but I am a new user here. I joined here since I'm new to MT as well (3 months and counting). I just like seeing folk's opinions and training advice.

Thanks for answering my question. I can understand, the boxers stance does feel like it "protects" more openings without having to move your hands too much. But I'm getting used to defending from the thai stance. Right now I do boxing and mt so I can see your comparison of the two. What cracks me up though is to see people break out their "stereotypical" mt stance; with the hands at the forhead. I've even seen them above the forehead. That protects absolutely nothing.

And I guess I'm real lucky then. In my gym, we've got quite a few people taller than me (I'm only 5'11). Two guys are 6'3+. The height level is pretty, well, level. Of course, there are the occasional short people too.