streetfighting

[benj4]

sorry if your not aloud to ask street questions on this forum. Which muay thai techniques would best work in a fist fight and what strategies would work best. I go to a rough school where kids are constantly getting into fights and I would like some advice.I've been doing muay thai for a bit and now how to throw the techniques correctly but fist fights are a lot different.

Advice appreciated

[Tom Yum]

I go to a rough school where kids are constantly getting into fights and I would like some advice.

Avoid getting into fights. That's the best technique. MA skills are a responsibility. Chances are most school fights are started by bullys or over egos. Your verbal skills are more valuable and smarter.

I've been doing muay thai for a bit and now how to throw the techniques correctly but fist fights are a lot different.

If you can throw proper muay thai techniques, you should spar more with your coach and your classmates, that's where you really learn muay thai (in my humble opinion).

With a year's worth of constant training in muay thai with good, frequent sparring and conditioning, you would be able to handle yourself.

[Ravin]

Firstly I dont think anyone back in school could fight properly so I dont see why you would need to use Muay thai to bash them. Assuming you manage to bash the bully what do u plan to do about his connections? how many friends of urs are willing to back you up to the bone? . I know people that if theyre loosing a fight would grab a knife an stab the otha guy. Once a big guy beat on a little guy the little guy managed to get back up pulled out a gun said, " Now your goin to die like the dog you are" an shot him 4 times. My advice is if u dont know the right people and can avoid it dont get involved.

[RYO9]

don't get in the fight. I've been studying MA for over 8 years now and haven't been in a fight since. As TOM YUM said these abilities are a responsibility. If you use them use them sparringly and don't beat the f*** outta the guy, just enough to get him to stop. Plus at his age he probably wont know how to fight as well. Also worrying about getting in a fight will make you more prone to getting in one. Remeber, any ass can start a fight, but it takes a man to know when to stop. And even better, be the peacekeeper, not the peace disturber.

Mullins

(if all else fails, run.)

[swisscom]

Well see, your question is lame and easy to answer.

Which muay thai techniques would best work in a fist fight and what strategies would work best.

If you are in a fist fight, use your fists.... simple simple answer

Sarcasm and Jackassness aside.
Since people like to answer in riddles when you ask them what to do in a situation. If you run at school, you're a pussy, and everyone will know, and you'll get jumped another day. Using your verbal skills to avoid fights works in certain situations but, i wouldnt depend on it.

I would get in close, clinch hard, throw a lot of elbows, cut his fucking head open
I think that would work best if the opponent is your size, or maybe a little bigger.

Since no one fights 1v1 anymore, you want to beat every person as fast as possible. To move onto the next person. Seems logical anyway.

In a streetfight hook punchs are probably most common. Elbows are the same distance as a hook, and as far as i know they hurt more, do more damage, let alone look better.

[CKD]

I would probaly make sure you have friends around when fights are most likely to happen. The thai clinch work good in a scrap.

[Hardball]

When talking and running away don't work; watch out for the #1 techniques in street fights.

The "SUCKER PUNCH" If you are on the receiving end of a sucker punch you can forget it; you're dog meat. Next piece of advice; train hard, twice a day if possible. You will be so ready that no one will even call your bluff and if they do............let your mind go blank and let your training take over. But you gotta put your time in. Time in the gym that is, training, bag work, sparring, theory the whole 9 yards.

[Ravin]

[QUOTE=swisscom]Since no one fights 1v1 anymore, you want to beat every person as fast as possible. To move onto the next person. Seems logical anyway.

Life isnt like a movie kid, the people that are going to jump in aint gonna jus stand in a line waiting for their chance while u finish them off 1 by 1. If your outnumbered the only options u got is run or carry a metal pole or any other weapon inside ur jacket at all times so u can just take that out an just start hitting ppl hard over the head just go crazy even that is dangerous depending on who are your enemies and what their capable of.

[Python]

I have to agree with Tom Yum, your verbal skills are your best option. No, they won't always work, but should be excercised first. If you are training now, you should be building up your self-confidence to a level where you can just walk away and still feel good about yourself. No one ever wins a street fight...they only survive. When someone has to get "hurt" then no one is a winner.

To answer your question more directly...incase you have to fight, here is a quote I like "a finger in the eye, makes a grown man cry". Eyes and groin are your two primary targets, then you can either run or follow up, your choice. Most people are uncomfortable in too close (unless they are wrestlers or grapplers) and a good "clinch" is devastating (headbutts, knees, and elbows). I do not recommend "fists" in any street fight because you are at a higher risk of injuring your hand. Use your fingers or palm, and then follow with elbows and knees.

Multiple attackers: Ravin and Swisscom actually are both right. Ravin said it is not like movies...very true. They don't come at you one on one, but running or carrying a pipe are not your ONLY options, but running is your BEST option. However, sometimes you can't run, in that case Swisscom is right in saying take them one at a time. Paul Vunak has a tape out on Mass Attack and he tries to get one guy hurt and keeps him in the middle of him and the others, works for a while, then you go to the next guy. You have to stay moving constantly.

I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two fights where it was 15 on 2 (my buddy and I) and the other time about 12 or 13 on 3 (two buddies and I) both times were in the parking lot of a bar after leaving. Not fun at all and nothing like you see on T.V. I came out of both unscathed, but was very lucky. If you care to hear how they went down, I will share, but it is long so I won't go into it now.

Best thing is to not try to "prove" yourseld to anyone and stay away from the fights if possible.

That's my 2 cents.

[swisscom]

[QUOTE=Ravin]

Since no one fights 1v1 anymore, you want to beat every person as fast as possible. To move onto the next person. Seems logical anyway.

Life isnt like a movie kid, the people that are going to jump in aint gonna jus stand in a line waiting for their chance while u finish them off 1 by 1. If your outnumbered the only options u got is run or carry a metal pole or any other weapon inside ur jacket at all times so u can just take that out an just start hitting ppl hard over the head just go crazy even that is dangerous depending on who are your enemies and what their capable of.

you have to read what im saying more carefully.

"the people that are going to jump in aint gonna jus stand in a line waiting for their chance while u finish them off 1 by 1."

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID

[benj4]

This might sound stupid but i need to learn,if I try to get in to elbow I could walk straight into a suckerpunch which would end the fight should I just go crazy swinging till I get inside then throw the elbow?

Of course I would only fight if I thought I was in danger or one of my friends was.

[swisscom]

Well to get in range... i would probably run at him swing my right arm at his head (if it hits.. yay) after i get the hit, get into the clinch and elbow away.

[Hardball]

This might sound stupid but i need to learn,if I try to get in to elbow I could walk straight into a suckerpunch which would end the fight should I just go crazy swinging till I get inside then throw the elbow?

Of course I would only fight if I thought I was in danger or one of my friends was.

That wouldn't be a Sucker punch that would be a counter. A sucker punch happens when you are totally off guard or not expecting a strike. It usually happens in the middle of a verbal confrontation. You need to go somewhere and practice. Stop worrying so much about what if? Train and practice.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Wtf?

I like the fantasy land self defense stuff going on on this topic.My experience on self-defence comes from seeing fights at school,bouncing, and being a kickboxer and full contact tkd fighter as well as training for a little while at an mma school. about 99% of all the fights I've broken up/ been in, or witnessed have fallen into 1 of 3 catagories either the guy will sucker punch you usually procedded buy a verbal exchange or a push and then clinch with you so he can hit you without being damaged, or he will first grab you for control then pound on you also to avoid damage.So you will be hit at some point and you will be grabbed at some point.(Know how to do both)Some times fights go to the ground for no other reason than 1 of the combatants loses his footing the guy who lands on top usually wins via sitting on the other guys chest(a primative form of mount,remember the fights you saw back in high school) and pounding him into next week.The last type of fight which may or may not be proceded buy a verbal exchange or a push usually starts with a sucker punch and then the 2 combatants just start swinging wildly at each other until one person grabs the other person in a clinch or headlock and pounds on him untill either ko or it goes to the ground via a slipage.No ring or street fight/ altercation I've ever been involved in has EVER gone the way I'd planned it, most people no matter how much they like to punch to the face will always choose to control the clinch and pound to aviod a facial beating or just try to ko you via sucker punch from the outset. There are very few fair fights where the 2 combatants square off against each other so think of the verbal exchange as the push, the grab or the sucker punch as the squaring off process that the the average joe on the street uses. So my advice is the moment you think he's going to sucker punch you (look for body clues) sucker punch him,If he's better at striking than you grapple, if he's better then at grappling than you strike, unfortunately you may find theses facts out as he's pummeling you.So look at selfdefense training this way, you can just stand there and let someone beat your ass and do nothing or you can use what striking/grappeling skills you posess to fight back. There will always be someone in the ring or on the street who will be better at fighting than you that's just a reality.But at least you can do some damage to him as well and will probably take less of a beating/win the fight if your skills are better(defense comes to mind here)

[Tom Yum]

Benj, kids are going to call you out and get in your face.

If you aren't scared, 99% of the time they will back off because this is a poker game you are talking about (the fronting). And if you've seen punches come at your face before at different speeds and intensities aimed at your face, you won't be so scared, you'll be alert and people around you can tell.

If kids start to heat up and escalate, excuse yourself and leave. They're going to call you all kinds of names and accuse you of being all kinds of things, but if you've logged the hours in a ring or on the mats you've got nothing to prove and everything to gain by walking away.

Even approach him later after it flies over and say "We got started on the wrong foot." Who knows, maybe this fella makes all his friends this way...

You seem to be asking for some magical muay thai technique that will protect you, which shows you probably haven't been involved in any MA. In my amateurish humble opinion, muay thai is a lot more than just a few 'techniques'...

Good luck to you.