pic and background...

[gong fu]

1st picture was taken when i was about 16,



2nd picture and third were taken when i was about 17-18,






im turning 21 in the next month or so, i will post a recent picture of me when i get my digicam back from my cousin,

[Ryukyu Damashi]

Whats with the bloody hand print on the wall?

[gong fu]

part of my own variation of iron fist training, (without the newspaper) and i dont think thats blood i rarely bleed much during conditioning i used to when i was younger but not anymore,


dont you guys hit walls/trees/the ground, or anything hard, ? i couldent imagine training without conditioning,


peace

[swisscom]

I kick cinderblocks for fun? ... That was my old attitude (kicking stuff that's hard), after a lot of people told me thats retarded and kicking a heavy bag will do the exact same thing for me, i stopped.

[gong fu]

eerm how did you figure that one out?,


hitting a wall for iron fist conditioning is nothing like hitting a heavy bag, a heavy bag filled with sand feels soft to me, i use a heavy bag and punch dummy for stamina and endurance training, also for combo;s and striking skill, but hitting a tree or a wall is nothing like hitting a bag, its not the same training whatsoever, and you definatly will not get the same results from the 2 different training methods, no matter what your friends says its wrong, sorry to be blunt but they are wrong man,


peace,

[Ryukyu Damashi]

You guys know this is a Muay Thai forum...right?

[swisscom]

Well, lol. If you punch a concrete wall you will risk damaging your hand, and when you damage your hand, you can't train. Instead; punching something slightly softer, like a heavy bag. You can punch it more, thus working on proper technique, and power.

You guys know this is a Muay Thai forum...right?

of course ;D

[Wolverine]

Great thread!
Well, this is me (and my youngest daughter). I'm a 27 year old stay at home father of 2, part-time student and part-time amateur fighter. I've had 7 amateur muay thai fights, but I haven't fought in about a year and 1/2. I've been training for just over 5 years. I started my junior year of college, in Marquette, MI under Kak Koonnala, and am now training in Kalamazoo, MI at a judo and MMA gym. It's not Muay Thai, but at least it's something for now.

[aseepish]

Here's the pic from my face conditioning.

[gong fu]

Well, lol. If you punch a concrete wall you will risk damaging your hand, and when you damage your hand, you can't train. Instead; punching something slightly softer, like a heavy bag. You can punch it more, thus working on proper technique, and power.




of course ;D

what if you punch a concrete wall with a newpaper nailed to it, when your a little kid, hitting it very softly gradually as the years pass you can punch it harder and harder, eventually removing the newspaper, hitting the bare wall lightly and build up conditioning over many many years, then when your advanced you can hit the wall with no injury to your hands, its like any part of the body, it can be harderned from training,


and must be done very carefully and not without teaching froms omeone with experience in conditioning,


and how does hitting a heavy bag give you anywhere near the same results as, iron fist, iron palm/sand palm, and other methods?, its not the same training guys, it gives different results, look at howmany pro fighters hurt there hands in street fights, the heavy bag is not for conditioning,



peace,

[THT]

Hey Aseepish, nice color. Check this one out. I have better pics of it but this is the only one I can get to at work.

[aseepish]

THT, not bad, not bad! The best part was walking around the city over the next few days and seeing people's reactions.

Note to self: put vaseline around your eyes before sparring, dumbass!

[swisscom]

then again, what do I know about Iron Fist Training? -- I know nothing, do what you think is best, and good luck with it =D

[Python]

Pretty good thread guys! I can't post a pic from this computer, but you can go to www.roundkickrumble.com and see my recent fight pics. I am 38, teach in Carroll Iowa (podunk between two corn fields, j/k). No time for a bio right now, but part of my background is on the website, also on www.progressiveselfdefense.com

Hey Gongfu,

While Iron fist or whatever, does not give the same results as hitting a heavy bag, it also does not condition you for a fight...in no way whatsoever. I mean no disrespect to you or your art (they all have purpose), but I have to reply to your recent posts. First of all, how in the heck do you "nail" a newspaper to a "concrete" wall?? (I know, anchor it, right? Why?) And what keeps the newspaper from ripping off of the nail? Sorry, just having some sarcastic fun with it. But seriously, all of that training toughens up your hands, no doubt about it....but,....do you know what wins a street fight and/or a Thai fight?? Total body conditioning, meaning having the stamina, strength, and speed to go the distance...having the quickness and precise timing to evade and score...etc. etc.....Attributes win, bottom line!

Not having Iron Fist conditioning is not what causes guys to break their hands...you will never be able to hit a brick wall hard enough to get to the point of conditioning the wrist strength and bones in the back of the hand, merely the surface gets hardened and calloused. Generally, a boxers's break comes from sloppy tecnique and hands not wrapped securely enough.

This is a Muay Thai forum, after all, as RyuKyu said (I think it was you), and conditioning on the heavy bag, and thai pads, are about the best way to condition for a fight. Of course Plyo's and other non-contact methods for cardio and muscular conditioning work wonders as well....but you all know that.

Not trying to burst your bubble Gongfu, or start and bickering between us, just stating my opinion, that is all. Been in a few street fights and my share of ring battles, so I thought I would speak my mind a bit.

Peace

[gong fu]

then again, what do I know about Iron Fist Training? -- I know nothing, do what you think is best, and good luck with it =D

thanks,


peace,