Blood in the Water!

[Garland]

After some introspection on actual fights, along with a whole bunch of highlight clips from a variety of top notch Muay Thai and MMA fighters, I've come to the following conclusion...it may be wrong, but it is going to be my approach from now on......
get the opponent in a position where they are a little bit open, and then destroy. Do not stop hitting until the ref pulls you off.
If you watch people like Silva, Cro Cop, Arlovski, Pele Landi, and Ignashov...all of them adhere to this tactic...get the other person bunched up or reeling and then go for the kill, like a shark that smells blood in the water.

Even if the punches aren't perfect looking, or perfect form, just keep hitting and go for the K.O.

Is this a good approach?

JKD would call it ABC, or attack by combination...until the opponent is incapacitated...viz a vie, de-cap-ed, head off with a left hook.

[jubaji]

After some introspection on actual fights, along with a whole bunch of highlight clips from a variety of top notch Muay Thai and MMA fighters, I've come to the following conclusion...it may be wrong, but it is going to be my approach from now on......
get the opponent in a position where they are a little bit open, and then destroy.

Well, that is certainly some ground-breaking stuff! How on earth did you ever come up with such a novel idea?

[Khun Kao]

No need to be a smartass about it.

I've noticed it in MuayThai too. If you watch pro MT fights from Thailand, a lot of the fight seems to be the two fighters "pecking" at one another. But once an opening presents itself, or one of the fighters makes a mistake, the fighter explodes on it.

[swisscom]

Iunno, I prefer not to explode -- not that it doesnt work, because obviously it does. Just, it's unprofessional in my eyes, you're trained in Muay Thai, you should fight with Muay Thai, not Exploding Crazy Thai. It's an art not a streetfight. As for MMA, that's another story.

[THT]

While muay thai is more artful than a windmill swinging slugfest, it is still a fight after all. The object is to win, not just look sweet doing it. The way to win is to inflict more damage than you take. Either put the other guy to sleep before he does you, or somehow make it so he cannot continue to fight, before he does it to you. If it goes to the judges, since this is a FIGHT, they will mostly consider who looked like he was hurting the other guy more.

I totally agree with garland and don't see any sense in going about things in another way. The goal is to win and there are only so many ways to do it. Taking turns slapping each other and trading leg kicks is not going to end things. Getting an opening and exploiting it and whooping ass until your opponent cannot fight, will.

If this is a ballet fight, or some tma demo I can not exploding and concentrating on grace etc... -but we try to knock people out.

Just my 2 cents...

[swisscom]

Well THT I agree with you to some extent, the goal is to win. But it is an art form, and thus should have at least some technique incorporated into it. If you run around swinging your arms to knock someone out, good for you, you win the fight. But you dont fight "properly", which is just as bad as losing.

[EmptyneSs]

this can also come back to kick ur ass if u end up not finishing the guy.one of the kickboxers from my gym thought he had his opponent finished in the 1st round, but wanst able to knock him out. this cost him the match because he gassed himself trying to finish the opponent he thought was done for.

[THT]

I'm afraid you may not quite be getting my point. I agree that technique must be incorporated. That cannot be argued against. Without proper technique you won't be able to strike effectively. Without proper technique you'll gas more quickly and become open yourself.

I realized you weren't quite getting me when you mentioned running around swinging your arms. I wouldn't ever suggest someone fight like that. Except maybe Tank A. and I was never a fan of his.

What I'm saying is do your j-c-lowkick get back, jump in j-c-highkick-c jump out, etc etc. Stick a couple of times and move. A fight is back and forth, and as emptyness brought up you must conserve energy. But what I think Garland, and myself are saying is that after your opponent is stuned, jump in with a teep-lowkick-j-c-h-clinch'n'knee-then throw him and kick his face before his gloves hit the ground (which can be a thing of absolute beauty when done with good technique). We don't endorse sloppy technique and windmill punchs. We do endorse taking advantage of an opening and busting out a 5+ hit combo real quick while you can. If doing this a few times over the course of a fight gasses you too much, you need to adress that in training camp.

Does this make more sense?

[swisscom]

AH right, gotcha haha. Yeah I mis-interpreted what you were saying at first. I agree with you now.

Follow-up question:
I know the fighters are judged on technique, but can that score ever overpower someone who was clearly dominate in the fight by throwing around haymakers? Because ring generalship is a bigger catagory than technique. Just asking out of curiosity. I'm not entirely sure this question made sense, but yeah im going to leave it as is.

[dkm]

After some introspection on actual fights, along with a whole bunch of highlight clips from a variety of top notch Muay Thai and MMA fighters, I've come to the following conclusion...it may be wrong, but it is going to be my approach from now on......
get the opponent in a position where they are a little bit open, and then destroy. Do not stop hitting until the ref pulls you off.
If you watch people like Silva, Cro Cop, Arlovski, Pele Landi, and Ignashov...all of them adhere to this tactic...get the other person bunched up or reeling and then go for the kill, like a shark that smells blood in the water.

Even if the punches aren't perfect looking, or perfect form, just keep hitting and go for the K.O.

Is this a good approach?

JKD would call it ABC, or attack by combination...until the opponent is incapacitated...viz a vie, de-cap-ed, head off with a left hook.

that should be apparent from day one of training, but why would you do that in training? I can understand doing that in a fight or a tournament.

[Blue Wave Gym]

and the answer is kids.........

You do anything it takes to win using any legal tactic or strategy period.You must be both multi dimesional in your "style" and never hesitate to capitailze on an opponnets weakness/mistake /getting hurt i.e smelling blood in the water. That's why any fighter that wants to stay in the fight game will quickly learn that you never show weakness or pain in the ring no matter how much you're hurt cause you'r opponent will jump all over you, heck I always did.My style is to circle out, keep you on the end of my jab till you make mistakes the ncapitalize with crosses and body/head kicks. Once I do that for a few rounds I lull you into a patttern, then I go and change the game up by putting you on the ropes and converting back into my ol' school ring bully/brawler bulldog mode(hopefull you're bigger than me cause it's more fun to teach a bigger guy as lesson about brawling HE HE HE) Now kids that how you have game/implement the blood in the water/finish him type of thing
Btw I've never said how many fights I 've had cause it's my bussiness only and kinda a sore spot since I can't fight any more and want like 10,000 more fights or to at least fight till I'm 45 I guess I'll call 1-800-GET-A -LIFE

[THT]

AH right, gotcha haha. Yeah I mis-interpreted what you were saying at first. I agree with you now.

Follow-up question:
I know the fighters are judged on technique, but can that score ever overpower someone who was clearly dominate in the fight by throwing around haymakers? Because ring generalship is a bigger catagory than technique. Just asking out of curiosity. I'm not entirely sure this question made sense, but yeah im going to leave it as is.

In response to your follow up question swiss, I don't think a fight can be won according to technique. Since the goal of a fight is pretty much to beat the other guy up, ring generalship counts for much more. In something like a point match for tkd or whatever, I've heard plenty of stories of folks beating the other guys ass but losing for not having beautiful style and looking right doing it. But that as I think most of us can agree, isn't really a fight. It is pretty much a technique contest. Oh, and for any tkd practitioners, I'm not saying you guys are weak or anything, it's just a different game.

[swisscom]

mmkay then. =D