Training Camps

[shark]

My point was not that Fairtex is a good camp, but that they bought most of those champions, that is a fact my friend.
Did they improve there? I dont know, you obviously believe so. I didnt say one way or they other as im not in a position to judge. No doubt they have had more opportunities and chances to further their careers.
Neungsiam 100% came from Sasiprapa when he was young, HE told me, Mr Thakoon the owner of Sasiprapa told me and other fighters at Sasiprapa told me.
I am not on commision at Chay-yai Gym but after more than ten years training and fighting in Thailand and staying at a number of well know gyms i have found Chay-yai to be the best for me. Of course i am loyal to this gym, as they treat me like part of a family. Im sure you can understand that as you feel the same way about Fairtex.
Look forward to your visit...

[shark]

I enjoy your posts buddy and can see that you are well informed. As you know Muay Thai is Thailand is like football with scout and buyers. Just because Manchester Uniteds team didnt all come from their youth team doesnt mean that they arent great champions. (sorry i couldnt think of a comparison for those in the states that dont follow football but i think you get my point.) My point wasnt to put down Fairtex but to point out that for a trainer in Phuket to say he had trained 20 Lumphinee and Rajadenman Champs was unrealistic.
You should come up from Songlarn, its the best place in Thailand for the Thai New Year"

[Khun Kao]

His camp must be very new? Do you know much about it? Its the first i have heard of it, (or him) though we are at the other end of the country.
Is there someone actually teaching BJJ there? Do they have any Muay Thai fighters now?
Do you know the names of any of those 20 champions the Thai trained by any chance? Where are they now? (20 is a lot as most trainers look after max 4-5 boys each max). Fairtex that buys most of their champions(and are without doubt the wealthiest gym in Thailand) have had about between 10-14 over the past 15 years
Sorry for all the questions just very bemused by a few stats on that site. All that aside, the gym looks nice and i hope it works out well for your buddy.

I have to be honest that I don't know a great deal about his camp. Sean is a buddy, but we're not close. I believe the camp is only a few years old. I know that they've got some fighters and some kids, but I don't think anyone is a current champ, and I'm not sure of the stats of their trainers.

They do train MMA there, but I'm not sure who the resident coach is. I know Sean is one of their current fighters and that he competes both in MuayThai and MMA.

I'm sure the listed stats on his webpage are factually and statistically correct, but any good marketer is going to "stretch" the truth a little to make what they offer seem even more dynamic and accomplished than it really is.

For instance, on my own webpage, I list that I was coaching MuayThai at CIA Headquarters in Langley, VA back in 2003. There is nothing incorrect in me saying so. What I fail to mention is that it was only an hour-long fitness-oriented class once a week. Had nothing to do with their agents or special-ops stuff. I purposely leave that to the readers imagination.

[sportmuaythai]

My point was not that Fairtex is a good camp, but that they bought most of those champions, that is a fact my friend.

Neungsiam 100% came from Sasiprapa when he was young, HE told me, Mr Thakoon the owner of Sasiprapa told me and other fighters at Sasiprapa told me.

Look forward to your visit...

I'm not digging up this thread for the sake of arguement, but just to set the reccord straight.
Nuengsiam came straight to Fairtex after he completed grade6 (Por 6). He wasn't contracted to any camp at the time. Jongsanan was sent to Sasiprapa camp on preparation for his fight against Bunlai Sor Thanikul, since Fairtex didn't have have heavy fighter to help in the clinching practice at the time. Nuengsiam accompanied jongsanan to Sasiprapa camp so Mr.Chanai pongsupa could polish his technique. Langsuan Panyuthapoom was also hot at that time. Nuengsiam was already quite an accomplished fighter. The training was for 20 days, and both Jongsanan and Nuengsiam returned to Fairtex to resume their trainiing. So it's not true that Nuengsiam originated from Sasiprapa camp. Also, Fairtex ddn't buy most of their champions from other camps. Attachai and Yodsanklai are the two champs that were sold to Fairtex recently. Others became champion after the transfer. BTW you've probably met a new student from WA who came to Chai Yai camp about 5 days ago. I reccommended to him to look over your camp.

[shark]

Ok sportmuaythai i have to take that one on the chin. I went to the trouble of ringing Mr Thakoon from Sasiprapa to see if i had misinterpreted what he had told me (a few years ago). He told me that Neungsiam was already a good boxer when he came to Sasiprapa and he came just to prepare for two fights. When Neungsiam told me it was about 8 years ago and my Thai not so good, later when i trained at Sasiprapa and mentioned that i had trained at Fairtex the boys told me that Neungsiam had trained there, Thakoon confirmed that but didnt give me any details so i put 2 and 2 together and got 5
Please not though when you look at that Fairtex flyer with the five champions and their belts that Tee Lek, Attachai, Yodsanklai and Nauropon all came from other gyms NOT Fairtex and however many protein shakes they might have eaten or swims in the pool they have had the majority of their training and fighting has been elsewhere. Good investments but they didnt come cheap and they are not home grown. while im here did Fairtex buy Kaoklai as well?

[shark]

Ok sportmuaythai i have to take that one on the chin. I went to the trouble of ringing Mr Thakoon from Sasiprapa to see if i had misinterpreted what he had told me (a few years ago). He told me that Neungsiam was already a good boxer when he came to Sasiprapa and he came just to prepare for two fights. When Neungsiam told me it was about 8 years ago and my Thai not so good, later when i trained at Sasiprapa and mentioned that i had trained at Fairtex the boys told me that Neungsiam had trained there, Thakoon confirmed that but didnt give me any details so i put 2 and 2 together and got 5
Please not though when you look at that Fairtex flyer with the five champions and their belts that Tee Lek, Attachai, Yodsanklai and Nauropon all came from other gyms NOT Fairtex and however many protein shakes they might have eaten or swims in the pool they have had the majority of their training and fighting has been elsewhere. Good investments but they didnt come cheap and they are not home grown. while im here did Fairtex buy Kaoklai as well?

[shark]

I grappled with the guy from Canada that you refered to the gym yesterday, nice guy. He seems to be enjoying the training though he has a few blisters that are giving him a few problems.