Weaving

[Abe]

Hi, been doing alot of boxing sparring lately. I've notice that I've been improving on dodging and weaving significantly. But what frustrate me is that even when i get inside, say for instant slip a jab, drop below it with perfect vision of my opponent, I still find it very hard to connect a head shot. I mean, it may sound stupid to you guys but, for me personally, dodging an attack and connect none mean crap all. Well, my opponents are usually much more experienced (trainer and a retired kickboxer), and it's only fair for them to map out my move easily and counter effectively.

But still there's gotta be a way for me to follow up on those right? I feel like I really need to learn the strategy used in boxing sometimes. Like how to work out the opponents habits and work my attack and counter through them. Because right now, I'm just chasing after openings blindly, and try to create them out of thin air. Yes, I know I should be asking the trainer these questions but soemhow I feel like they are just happy that I'm "coming along well". Often get the same answer such as - all comes with experience, etc. But they don't know that inside I feel like I hit the wall, and that I'm frustrated.

The reason why I want to work on my dodge and weave game is because I find it to suit me well. I could be wrong since I'm quite tall and to be honest skinny. But it's the way I prefer.

Please help me on this matter, knowing that this forum has alot of kind people with expertise in this who are willing to help. Thanks in advance.

[EmptyneSs]

Hi, been doing alot of boxing sparring lately. I've notice that I've been improving on dodging and weaving significantly. But what frustrate me is that even when i get inside, say for instant slip a jab, drop below it with perfect vision of my opponent, I still find it very hard to connect a head shot. I mean, it may sound stupid to you guys but, for me personally, dodging an attack and connect none mean crap all. Well, my opponents are usually much more experienced (trainer and a retired kickboxer), and it's only fair for them to map out my move easily and counter effectively.

But still there's gotta be a way for me to follow up on those right? I feel like I really need to learn the strategy used in boxing sometimes. Like how to work out the opponents habits and work my attack and counter through them. Because right now, I'm just chasing after openings blindly, and try to create them out of thin air. Yes, I know I should be asking the trainer these questions but soemhow I feel like they are just happy that I'm "coming along well". Often get the same answer such as - all comes with experience, etc. But they don't know that inside I feel like I hit the wall, and that I'm frustrated.

The reason why I want to work on my dodge and weave game is because I find it to suit me well. I could be wrong since I'm quite tall and to be honest skinny. But it's the way I prefer.

Please help me on this matter, knowing that this forum has alot of kind people with expertise in this who are willing to help. Thanks in advance.

try countering to their body, mabye it will be easier. you dont always have to get head shots, hitting the body can be just as effective.

if you are tall and skinny and are fighting shorter people, try to keep them on the outside. use your jab and your reach and dont let them on the inside.

do not chase opponenets around it will drain your energy. let them come to you and counter their attacks.

[Garland]

try countering to their body, mabye it will be easier. you dont always have to get head shots, hitting the body can be just as effective.

if you are tall and skinny and are fighting shorter people, try to keep them on the outside. use your jab and your reach and dont let them on the inside.

do not chase opponenets around it will drain your energy. let them come to you and counter their attacks.

Correct.
Taller fighters should keep the smaller ones out with jabs and counter as the smaller fighters come in...good drills for this are jab drills, double and tripple jabs (followed by overhand rights) on the pads, and 4 or more blitzing straight punches for when the opponent drops their hands...only then should you rush in if you're taller than the opponent. Another good one is the (god forbid you need it) the corner drill, which is bob and weave in a corner, but learning to step out with your leg to escape from an opponent who's putting on alot of pressure.
The one thing I don't suggest for taller fighters happens to be my favorite punch, the left hook to the head...because the smaller fighter's head is low, or you have to reach to keep them in your domanite range...which leaves you open to all sorts of shit.

Smaller fighters should try to get in past their opponent's jabs and hang tight and close. That means body blows and hooks to the head. Namely uppercuts and double hooks. bob and weave drills, diagnols, and any sort of hooking drill (not the type aspiring actresses run) are all good choices.

For Muay thai;
taller fighters punching is the same as in boxing...teaps should be dominant, as well as reaching leg kicks...try not to telegraph...long lead knees are also good to use, as well as "flying techniques", like the jumping knee which really works for a tall guy (look at Remy Bonjansky).

Shorter fighters...elbows and clinche work should be tops...as well as the hop kicks, and feigning a hop kick to catch the opponent with a hook...that's a great entry to get into the prummb.

For MMA-smaller guys need to really be careful shooting in on tall guys, who can move back quicker due to longer legs, or can catch the person easier with a long knee.
Taller MMA guys need to be careful about getting close...still...(I've found it much easier to lock up lanky guys because their limbs are so long, it's easier to get leverage.)

FMA
Knife and stick...taller guys have the reach advantage...which can be equalized by a longer tool. Instead of initiating the attack, the smaller guy should try to defang, otherwise the tall guy will likely beat them to the body due simply to reach...if you do end up in close range, try to minimize the taller opponent's angles, kind of like how wing chun guys deflect shit off of centerline. This can be done by angulation of the body, superior footwork, and better speed/tempo timing and rythm, as well as placement of the knife. (i.e. when passing the blade, where you catch the opponent's hand/forearm...a tall guy with really long arms might still be able to slash your leg if you don't move it out quick, as well as angle your body to prevent a blue worm (ew.), and it might be smarter to catch their attack at the wrist or, if your good, thumb, instead of the forearm, to limit the distance their arm can move (ie. grabbing the forearm may give them enough space to still cut you).

I dunno...
does any of that sound right?

[sportmuaythai]

Dodging and weaving is a NO NO in MT. Weaving is OK. This is called Yaang-saam-khum in Thai. But you should never dodge less you're caught with a knee. Leaning back or side step is a better option when evading a weapon. I still would reccommend that you ask your trainer for advice. There are many ways to skin a cat, and experience will tell you which is best for the occasion.

[Abe]

EmptyneSs: I do work my body shots. I have no problen connect them. It's the head shot which I can never seem to get. Yes, I do tend to chase the ooponent alot and get stopped by a solid jab or cross. I need to work on that. Thank you.

Garland: Think I wasn't too clear as to being tall and skinny. I'm 57kg atm and 178cm. So I'm sure I'll be taller than most with my weight and definately sknniy anyways yu look at it. But my sparring opponents are around that height too, that's why I choose to fight like this as I'm lighter on my feet and lack strength compared to my opponents. Feels like I'm fighting a losing battle when I go in and bang with them. Still, those were great tips, and some surprisingly eye-opening for me. Thank you so much.

sportmuaythai: So true and I've told alot. The reason why I still do it, but it's boxing sparring and I'm concentrating alot on my hands thesedays. I don't actually dip that low or bend over, as too many uppercut already taught me the lesson. What I want to achieve is basically what I've seen alot of K-1 fighters do (Kraus, Souwer). Their hands are much better than classic style MT fighters, and with good evasive skills. But still packs a hard kick and they are able to use alot more combinations because of their style. Thank you.

[Khun Kao]

SportMuayThai....

What do you mean by "Dodge"? Sorry if that sounds like a dumb question, but I think I use different terminology. I'm having trouble getting the mental image of "Dodging & Weaving" vs. "Weaving"...

Thx

[white devil]

i think he means ducking..not dodging

[sportmuaythai]

SportMuayThai....

What do you mean by "Dodge"? Sorry if that sounds like a dumb question, but I think I use different terminology. I'm having trouble getting the mental image of "Dodging & Weaving" vs. "Weaving"...

Thx

I thought you'd ask Abe first, since he used this term in his initial post.
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Abe
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Hi, been doing alot of boxing sparring lately. I've notice that I've been improving on dodging and weaving significantly

I assumed that he meant bobbing and weaving, same tatic as used by international boxing. Once the opponent recognizes this pattern when Abe is trying to get inside, he could easily counter with knee thrust at appropriate oppotunity. I wasn't thinking about ducking to avoid a punch.
As for weaving, I was thinking about advancing in a zigzaging pattern aka Yaang-saam -khum. An MT stance is normally upright, and knees may be bent as needed. The torso however stays erect.

[Abe]

I assumed that he meant bobbing and weaving, same tatic as used by international boxing. Once the opponent recognizes this pattern when Abe is trying to get inside, he could easily counter with knee thrust at appropriate oppotunity. I wasn't thinking about ducking to avoid a punch.
As for weaving, I was thinking about advancing in a zigzaging pattern aka Yaang-saam -khum. An MT stance is normally upright, and knees may be bent as needed. The torso however stays erect.

Yes, exactly what i meant. Only difference is that it's boxing and I wasn't countered by the knee but more like the opponent saw it through and step back and counter or just rotated away.

Now I'm think maybe I'm just not good enough to use that effectively

[sportmuaythai]

Now I'm think maybe I'm just not good enough to use that effectively

Dear Abe, don't be disheartened. May be your technique was good, but after all,
"Well, my opponents are usually much more experienced (trainer and a retired kickboxer), and it's only fair for them to map out my move easily and counter effectively"

[Abe]

Dear Abe, don't be disheartened. May be your technique was good, but after all,
"Well, my opponents are usually much more experienced (trainer and a retired kickboxer), and it's only fair for them to map out my move easily and counter effectively"

Of course. But I'm not dishearted by that, but rather by the fact that I don't feel like I'm improving. I felt cheated at times when I realised that my trainer takes it easy on me sometimes, don't get me wrong, hell no I don't like an ass whooping and dental sugrey, but it's just good to know how well I'm doing from day to day.

All of the advice have been great, I'll take serious notes of them and hopefully I won't have to make a thread like this again.

[Scott Bolinger]

the main thing on working ducks, slips, perrys, palm blocks, shin blocks, back fist block. You practic them in a one step. Then you practic the block and counter. If your practicing slips, You slip to the outside and then counter. run that about 20 times, then practice sliping to the inside, then counter, run about 20 of those. Most of your boxers practice sliping to the inside,because thats were the action is. But, it's allways better to be diversed.
When I work the coaches mitts, I allways start up with offensive drills. I have 6 combos I drill the crap out of all the time. I'll have my straight offensive drill days, but you also have to schedul a couple of defensive drill days. I drill the 6 combos , 10 times a peace, then I go into block and counterse. Then add defensive drills into my 6 offensive combos. Takes alot of drilling to get effecient at that. But it deffenatly adds to your fighting ability.