I Hate Tkd Schools, all they want is $

[Python]

Kurt,

I see you said the class is growing pretty fast. That is great! I am about 4 hours from you in Carroll Iowa. I have a team here and also promote quality events. We are lining up 7 events for 2007, 3 in Carroll and 4 in Des Moines. If you guys get trained to fight and want to compete let me know. You can check us out at www.roundkickrumble.com. The site still needs a little bit of updating, but for the most part it is current.

Yea, I have my kids in the Karate class here to "develop", but a handful of them take the junior Muay Thai class as well and I even have an IKF World Champ on our team who is 9 yrs old. It is fun to watch the young ones bang. Once they are 14, I put them in the Mixed Martial Arts class with adults where we focus on Trapping, stick and knife, Silat, and some groundwork. I want them more well rounded as a Black belt, and I believe at that age they need the "self defense" part of the arts more so than the life skills...so yea, we agree, good luck with your Son when he is ready!

Pete

[kurt_myers0369]

I put myself on your mailing list at your website. I'd like to fight next year, it all depends on wether my unit will get deployed to Iraq again. I'll run it by my trainer and see if he's interested. I know he mentioned getting back in the ring again. Our class is almost entirely beginners however... I dont know if any will be ready to get in the ring! I guess we'll have to see!

[Rickster]

Well, due to commercoalism of ANY art, the choice is the availibility, the financial ability, the ability of the instrcutor to provide value and discipline

[jaymackz]

Why do you sound soooo unintelligent in this post JayMack? Were you never one of those little screaming kids way back when? They are the future of our sport, so rather than bashing them and diminishing their efforts..how about encouraging them and maybe getting more of them into Muay Thai?? I run a gym with Muay Thai, FMA, MMA, oh and yes KARATE for the little ones...from 4 yrs. old thru 13 (14 becomes an adult) and quite frankly, I would rather go deaf listening to them belt out a loud Kiiaaiiiii, in an effort to improve themselves and BE sombody, than to read your short swearing and tough guy attitude. Yes, I know, I could have just clicked on another thread, but when I see this kind of crap I have to state my opinion as well.

Now, to the person (i forgot who and too lazy to scroll back through) who said something about gym taking money and are all "commercialized"....just because you charge fopr classes does not make you commercialized. I charge for my services and there is no way in hell my gym is commercialized.

The original post I believe was a complaint about the head instructor forcing the guy to take TKD first when what he wanted was MT. He was willing to pay, just not for TKD. I am in agreement with him if the story is accurate, I would have went to the garage too. But some of you on here have slid of course a bit and seem to want to poke fun at the kids. While I do not care for TKD myself, TKD and Karate or both great for kids..it is the "Life Skills" that they need to learn and they will get that in those arts.

Can we get the original post back on track at some point here with some intelligence please, thank you!

My two cents

lol..guess you're right.....and yes (i was one of those screaming kids back then).......i bash on TKD too much for whatever reason..i dunno.....ever since Muay thai came along.....i forgot the reason why i joined TKD when i was young and that was for the self-discipline..to others and myself. Sorry for being so rude towards TKD lol..

[47MartialMan]

TKD is picked on because of its sudden and vast popularity (in its era, 1970's-80's)

There became a huge commercial vehicle to promote it.

With that, many people were ranked quickly in order to widen its popularity.

Like anything that becomes popular, excessive associations such as feeels, ranks, etc., become apparent

[Python]

lol..guess you're right.....and yes (i was one of those screaming kids back then).......i bash on TKD too much for whatever reason..i dunno.....ever since Muay thai came along.....i forgot the reason why i joined TKD when i was young and that was for the self-discipline..to others and myself. Sorry for being so rude towards TKD lol..

Jaymack,

Thanks for the reply! When I read my post to you a second time I felt I was harsh and was afraid you would take it as a slam and jump back at me, but you took it as I actually meant it, thank you!

I personally do not like TKd for adults at all, but I cannot teach my kids the same way as the adults either, and they need to be molded from the inside out, so that is why I Posted the way I did. Again, thanks for the gracious reply!

Pete

[Python]

TKD is picked on because of its sudden and vast popularity (in its era, 1970's-80's)

There became a huge commercial vehicle to promote it.

With that, many people were ranked quickly in order to widen its popularity.

Like anything that becomes popular, excessive associations such as feeels, ranks, etc., become apparent

I agree and disagree with you 47. I believe it was spread too fast and yes, became very commercialized, which it still is today. I still have people who are not familiar with martail arts hear that I teach or study and they always say "OH, you do that Tae Kwon Do stuff". So I tell them No, of course, but in there minds martial arts IS indeed TKD.

When TKD came to the states it was the BIG thing, people were not familiar with FMA, or Muay Thai, and of course BJJ. So naturally it spread like wild fire with many being promoted to black belt whom should have still been a green belt.

BUT....I dont think that is why it is picked on. I feel it is picked on because of its ineffectiveness in a real situation. People have now been exposed to numerous other martial arts and many are so much more effective for adults in all facets from just plain exercise and conditioning, to competing, to saving your hind end in a fight in the dark parking lot.

And yes, there are many who teach TKd but wear thai shorts and claim they teach kickboxing or worse yet..Muay Thai.

[Rickster]

BUT....I dont think that is why it is picked on. I feel it is picked on because of its ineffectiveness in a real situation. People have now been exposed to numerous other martial arts and many are so much more effective for adults in all facets from just plain exercise and conditioning, to competing, to saving your hind end in a fight in the dark parking lot.

I have seen qaulity TKD people defend themselves well on many occasions.

Yeah, the larger majority (TKD schools-outside of Korea) is not adult oriented

[bigred389]

I have seen qaulity TKD people defend themselves well on many occasions.

Yeah, the larger majority (TKD schools-outside of Korea) is not adult oriented

OK...either you and I have very different interpretations of the word "adult" or you've never even been to Korea.

[Rickster]

So you are going to say EVERYONE that practices in TKD cannot defend themselves

[bigred389]

No, I bolded the OTHER statement.

[Troll Virus]

BUT....I dont think that is why it is picked on. I feel it is picked on because of its ineffectiveness in a real situation. People have now been exposed to numerous other martial arts and many are so much more effective for adults in all facets from just plain exercise and conditioning, to competing, to saving your hind end in a fight in the dark parking lot.

Just a thought, but.....

Can anyone come up with any government statistics stating that any MA is more or less effective than another in real life altercations?

There must have been a study done somewhere surely?

When I say study, I mean by an independant body, with no vested interest in MA.

This should be really easy to find, but I can't seem to lay a finger on it.
Please help.

I wouldn't like to think that's because it's all bollocks.
I mean to say, surely the whole MA world isn't one collossal delusion of self capability based on meaningless comparison of people and situations that simply don't apply to the average Joe on the street, nor the harsh white light of genuine random violence?

I often find myself wondering if anyone on an MA forum has ever had the shit kicked out of them, or simply relates to a mate they heard it happened to?

[Rickster]

Just a thought, but.....

Can anyone come up with any government statistics stating that any MA is more or less effective than another in real life altercations?

There must have been a study done somewhere surely?

When I say study, I mean by an independant body, with no vested interest in MA.

This should be really easy to find, but I can't seem to lay a finger on it.
Please help.

I wouldn't like to think that's because it's all bollocks.
I mean to say, surely the whole MA world isn't one collossal delusion of self capability based on meaningless comparison of people and situations that simply don't apply to the average Joe on the street, nor the harsh white light of genuine random violence?

I often find myself wondering if anyone on an MA forum has ever had the shit kicked out of them, or simply relates to a mate they heard it happened to?

No stats.

I have seen and been it.
I have seen all types of MA adn brawlers kick the crap and some get the crap kicked back
I, myself-no exception.Win and lose.

However, I havent won or lost for some time.
It is easy to do once one gets the mentality of fighting aside and look for other aspects of MA

[Python]

Let me re-phrase my thoughts. My post came out wrong. I don't think that everyone who takes TKD is an ineffective fighter. I too, have friends who are TKD blackbelts and they can handle themselves pretty well. I meant that with the method of many TKd practitioners, the emphasis is placed on kicking, especially high and spinning kicking, which imo does not have any place in a street fight, especially when there are multiple attackers coming at you at once, which I have personally experienced more than once. I simply feel there are other arts which utilize more effective means to survive the street fight. Again, when it is all said and done, it boils down to how good the fighter himself or herself actually is, regardless of which art they study. So, my apologies if I came across wrong with my post. But I still think this is a main reason why it is picked on in general though. Does this make more sense?

[47MartialMan]

Let me re-phrase my thoughts. My post came out wrong. I don't think that everyone who takes TKD is an ineffective fighter. I too, have friends who are TKD blackbelts and they can handle themselves pretty well. I meant that with the method of many TKd practitioners, the emphasis is placed on kicking, especially high and spinning kicking, which imo does not have any place in a street fight, especially when there are multiple attackers coming at you at once, which I have personally experienced more than once. I simply feel there are other arts which utilize more effective means to survive the street fight. Again, when it is all said and done, it boils down to how good the fighter himself or herself actually is, regardless of which art they study. So, my apologies if I came across wrong with my post. But I still think this is a main reason why it is picked on in general though. Does this make more sense?

Complete, rational, intellectual sense to me. However the "her" is hardly evident among the percentage. Most "Her'(s) are not into fighting