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Jules I agree..I alsow think this is silly so hehe.
Jules I agree..I alsow think this is silly so hehe.
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I must admit that i don't know what ten nuh is, yet I'm a thai. OH! it just dawn on me, lol.Originally posted by jules View Post
ten=train
nuh= ner
ten nuh = trainer.
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Jules,
Sorry for thinking you were the one from Indiana, my mistake. A friend of mine had gone by the name Jules on some forums, I thought this was the same.
Of course testing for shorts is NOT part of Muay Thai or it's culture, but we are in America where pretty much everyone (generally speaking) takes waaaaayyy too much for granted, including Muay Thai. If you had read all the posts I thought you would understand. It is merely a test to "earn" something in the class, for those who are not fighters and for those idiots who can just buy a pair of thai shorts anywhere and claim they are doing Muay Thai, when all it really is, is watered down TKd or kickboxing.
The students can buy their shorts from me and have team shorts or they can get their own online, or from a catalogue. They are not forced to buy from me so I can make a buck. It is not about the money, despite what you think.
I really don't expect anyone on here, who is Thai, to understand or agree...that's ok, to each their own...the discussion on this thread has been pretty good I think, I have learned from it and enjoyed it.Comment
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yes anyone who wears thai trunks can claim muay thai. Having a "test" does not make it any better, anyone could set up a half assed test and give out shorts and in theory those student's would have "earned" it. Your test does not change that at all. All you are doing is mcdojofying muay thai. In my humble opinion that is.Comment
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You are right, anyone could set up a half assed test...mine are NOT half assed. As I said in a previous post (I think it was this thread, but may be wrong), you are welcome to come to my gym and take a class anytime and see for yourself how our Muay Thai program goes. My doors are always open to anyone. I also said i a previous post that I recently stopped conducting a test for shorts, but for the other reasons stated in earlier posts. I still think it is not wrong to do it. Understand that people's philosophy is different in the states (not making excuses), and as long as the essence of Muay Thai is still intact within the training, then I see nothing wrong with it, in my humble opinion.
And for the record (because I do take offense to this
I DO NOT "Mcdojofy" ANYTHING!! That is the last thing I would do, I have seen it done, I WILL NOT do it. Again, you are welcome to come see...the door is open.
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i am sure you are a good coach, i just think that the whole idea is ludicrous.Comment
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Originally posted by jules View Post
Jules did you read the previous posts in this thread? You are preaching to the choir man.... pay attention. I was simply answering your question, I wasn't defending shorts testings, I live, work and train in Thailand so know all about the way Thai camps run. There are no shorts tests here. Oh and I could have worn any shorts I wanted, I did not HAVE to buy from the school.
And dude.... I'm sitting here with my Japanese girlfriend who speaks perfect Thai due to her university schooling here and we couldnt for the life of us figure out what TENNUH was, neither could my Thai staff or friends.... omg I'm laughing so hard now. You learned that word from someone speaking bastardized english and you thought it was Thai, classic!
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Originally posted by Damian Mavis View Post
thai english is unique to thailand. In that aspect you can consider it a "thai word" it doesn't matter if it's bad english. It's a word specific to a nation. Hey man i am glad you disagee with the nonsensic idea of "earning your shorts". It's a slippery slope to more nonsense imho.Comment
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jesus...Originally posted by jules View Post
broken english is broken fucking english...and whoever is speaking it is going to have their own fucked up little variation.
ten-nuh, as in an attempt to say trainer, is NOT fucking thai. It is jumbled english. Please don't attempt to butcher the thai culture with your racist bullshit. It would be like me pretending to be chinese and replacing my r's with l's and vice versa. Not cool.Comment
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No. In this case TENNUH is not a Thai word at all. As previously said they have the words Kru and Ajarn (not to mention no Thai person I asked knew what TENNUH was even when I told them it meant trainer). In your defense Jules, and to Garland Thailand DOES use bastardized english words to label some things and there is no other word for it. Unlike this case: the word for street light is fie dang and fire is fie, fie is a horrible pronunciation of FIRE, fie dang is red fire meaning the streetlight (even though its got green and yellow!) If you try to correct a Thai person to pronounce fie properly they will think you're stupid. To them Fie is pronounced FIE, most have no idea where the roots of the word came from. Another example is street corner. CunAH leo quah, at the CORNER turn right. They pronounce corner as cunAH and that is the Thai word for it as far as they are concerned and if you dont pronounce it cunAH they will NOT know what you are saying heh.Originally posted by jules View Post
My point is there are MANY words in Asia that use english words and change them and they become a part of their culures language. (my experience is Thailand, and Japan where they use tons of english as Japanese words and there is no Japanese word for it or it's lost to history. I watch Japanese TV shows with my girfriend every single night and once I started listening closely I was able to pick out bastardized english ALL the time.)
Garland, actually if Chinese people in China are learning english as you described (I dont actually know) then they would not understand you unless you DID replace your r's with l's. In Thailand often an english teacher at the regular Thai schools is a Thai person that can't actually pronounce english properly and their students all learn to pronounce english improperly and if they hear proper pronunciation they will not make the connection and not understand you... until you copy their mispronunciation. Its not racist, its the way they were taught in school. I dated a chinsese Thai english teacher and I couldnt understand a damn thing she was saying heh..... I was thinking "and YOU teach english?!"
Damian Mavis
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Damian, pls try not to use examples of Thai words, since you don't understand them well, and could cause further confusion. Incidentally, fire is not a word of English origin. I believe Julius Caesar first brought fire to England. I'm certain that Thais had the word fie before they had contact with the western world. In all likelyhood, it probably came from Indian word, Sanskrit may be?Originally posted by Damian Mavis View Post
Ajarn used to be a term reserved for teacher of higher learning such as a university lecturer. Then some one began to call ordinary teacher "Ajarn", to make it more respectable. We have kru muay, and not ajarn, witness wai kru, not wai ajarn. Some Thai even calls himself unabashfully grand master, lol.Comment
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i have a question that is kinda off topic. but i was wondering what the thai people think about outsiders training in muay thai? muay thai has become very popular and people all over the world are learning muay thai. do the thais look down on this and think outsiders are watering down their art or are they happy that so many people outside thailand have taken notice of their art?Comment
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how is anything i say racist? i would love to hear your logic on this.Originally posted by Garland View Postjesus...
broken english is broken fucking english...and whoever is speaking it is going to have their own fucked up little variation.
ten-nuh, as in an attempt to say trainer, is NOT fucking thai. It is jumbled english. Please don't attempt to butcher the thai culture with your racist bullshit. It would be like me pretending to be chinese and replacing my r's with l's and vice versa. Not cool.Comment
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