Muay thai weakness

[tranquil]

i have been doin muay thai for about couple of weeks so far and i am trying to find a weakness in the art for self defense. So iwould like u guys to state any weakness if any in your art

i mean this in no disrespect but doesnt every art have a weakness?

but anyway, on weakness i have noted is that our primary weapon which is striking (although very effective) but how many of us can take a guy down with one shot. I think its best to agree in real self defense we want moves to end the threat as soon as posible which is present in jujitsu.

have any of u guys learned defenses from holds from your muay thai training like a mugger's hold or being choked or any other type of hold like full nelson, etc

or have u guys work liked with two on one situations.

im only asking because my instructor only teaches us from a ring perspective but has like outlined everything he will teach me already.

ill say it myself my thoughts may and probably are crap though, but some of u experienced guys tell me what your vulnerable to as a MT fighter or weakness that u see.

P.S: i have seen some "criticisms" of other arts by some guys and most agree that MT is better at kicking butt and i just wanted to know whats our weakness.

[WhiteTiger]

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Weakness = ground work.. Thats one weakness..

[Khun Kao]

i have been doin muay thai for about couple of weeks so far...

I literally stopped reading right there. Go train some more.

[Nips]

Eas up, it's a relatively intelligent question. He's just asking people's opinions on what they think the weakness' are of one of the most respected arts out there. Fair question - even if he hadn't trained in Muay Thai at all

[tranquil]

I literally stopped reading right there. Go train some more.

yea, i was hoping someone with your experience would be able to answer but apparently you thought i was trying to disrespect or something.
but that would be pretty dumb since i am doin muay thai.


but yea, ur right. i do need to train some more.

[Clooneytkd]

of course there is a weakness with every martial art style. to much grappling means not enough striking. i do san da witch is muay thai with wrestling and jujitsu. to me it seems to be one of the most complete arts i have ever done. is there weaknesses? sure there are but thats why you have to cross train to get a feel for what your missing. we work alot of boxing leg kicks, knees, takedowns, takedown defenses and some elbows. i feel my weakness is in my boxing so after class i work on the bag for a while.
also when i find myself alone and have multiple bags open i will use my taekwondo spinning back kicks, back kicks, side kicks and front kicks on all the bags as if they are multiple opponents. i will combine that with the thai kicks and elbows, punches..etc. if i feel i might get choked that day i might practice my clinch work close elbows and knees.
there are no weaknesses in styles, your the only weakness. its up to you to supplement what your missing. were not all mma fighters so we have to do what we can to improve on what we need.

[DJColdfusion]

Muay Thai is what it is. Are there weaknesses? Perhaps, but there are better qualified practicioners on this forum so I'll leave that up to them.

As far as your problem with the takedown . . . so what? Greco Roman guys don't shoot double legs either, its outside the realm of what they do . . . is it a weakness? No.

Muay Thai does have takedowns, they just don't stay down. There are plenty of sweeps, trips, etc that can put you on the ground. And there's plenty of takedown defense from the clinch (block with the elbows) even if it isn't always practiced that way.

If you want MMA then take an MMA class. If you want takedowns then take a wrestling seminar or join a wrestling team. If you want Muay Thai then keep training Muay Thai.

Its effective. The holes people typically see are almost always due to either a misunderstanding about the scope of the art or a lack of experience in the art.

Good luck and I hope you keep training.

[DickHardman]

I literally stopped reading right there. Go train some more.

lol, good response

[Tom Yum]

Some muaythai practitioners lack solid boxing skills, but make up for them by securing the clinch and blasting knees, elbows, headbuts, sweeps or sacrifice type throws. This day and age, you'll find more and more muay thai gyms are affiliated with or have contacts with boxing, grappling and kali instructors.

The art orginally doesn't get involved in takedowns (with some exceptions) and does no ground work.

[tranquil]

Some muaythai practitioners lack solid boxing skills, but make up for them by securing the clinch and blasting knees, elbows, headbuts, sweeps or sacrifice type throws. This day and age, you'll find more and more muay thai gyms are affiliated with or have contacts with boxing, grappling and kali instructors.

The art orginally doesn't get involved in takedowns (with some exceptions) and does no ground work.

oh ok, thanks.

[Khun Kao]

Sorry. I didn't mean to come across as a dick with my post, but the fact of the matter is that you have only trained a few weeks. It really is a bit early for you to start focusing on MuayThai's weaknesses when you should first be focusing on learning (mastering?) MuayThai's strengths.

also, I was drinking when I posted that, LOL

If you are training in Sport MuayThai, then MuayThai's boxing and grappling skills might not be sufficient for what you want. There is the obvious lack of weapons training, dealing with multiple opponents, or dealing with terrain outside of a ring or matted surface.

If you are able to find authentic bareknuckle MuayThai training, many of the above issues are addressed.

[Garland]

Some muaythai practitioners lack solid boxing skills, but make up for them by securing the clinch and blasting knees, elbows, headbuts, sweeps or sacrifice type throws. This day and age, you'll find more and more muay thai gyms are affiliated with or have contacts with boxing, grappling and kali instructors.

yeppers. And when you train all three...you'll have a pretty comprehensive game. So, cross train, cross train, cross train.

[tranquil]

Sorry. I didn't mean to come across as a dick with my post, but the fact of the matter is that you have only trained a few weeks. It really is a bit early for you to start focusing on MuayThai's weaknesses when you should first be focusing on learning (mastering?) MuayThai's strengths.

also, I was drinking when I posted that, LOL

If you are training in Sport MuayThai, then MuayThai's boxing and grappling skills might not be sufficient for what you want. There is the obvious lack of weapons training, dealing with multiple opponents, or dealing with terrain outside of a ring or matted surface.

If you are able to find authentic bareknuckle MuayThai training, many of the above issues are addressed.

yea ur definitly right.

i was just wonderng cuz of all the thai boxing vs TKD debates i have have seen here exposing all the weakness of TKD. I was just wondering how complete you guys found Muay thai to be.

but brought this book on kickboxing by keith livingston saying that kickboxers are not as tough as boxers. but I found that hard to believe. i think he confused kickboxing with muay thai.
there is a differenece right?

thanks a lot. i may be in your area soon so ill drop by the gym if i have time.

[george stando]

Well the idea of weaknesses will always be there for every martial art or sport in this case. You are talking abuot muay thai which is a ring sport based on a certain format and a certain set of rules. If you want it for self defense then you have to make adjustments or extend yourtraining into another thai martial art like military muay or bare knuckle or krabi krabong so your training will just be extended and will answer the call of the new sets of needs. if you want to do mma, then extend into transitions, sprawls and ground work. If you want to do K-1, probably add alot of boxing. You will have a solid base if you work the muay thai though and thats certainly one of its strengths.

[retired]

The more traditional side of thai does take a lot more into self defence techniques that isn't required in the ring so you may not see it in a lot of gym's.