Muay thai weakness

[gregimotis]

yea ur definitly right.

i was just wonderng cuz of all the thai boxing vs TKD debates i have have seen here exposing all the weakness of TKD.

Most of the time when people are comparing TKD and Muay Thai, the weaknesses of TKD in comparison are training oriented more than style oriented.

Muay thai is often trained as a full-contact ring sport similar to boxing. Empathis is on fitness, toughness, and sparring for effectiveness against another trained opponent. TKD on the other hand, is usually trained as a family-oriented hobby - empathis is on fitness, socializing, and perhaps technique - combat effectiveness is a secondary goal at best.
It is this difference in approach that makes a Muay Thai fighter more dangerous than a TKD student. There is more to this discussion, but that is the main point.

[MT&BJJ@noob]

okay well from what I see.


The weaknesses in the system (general)

over commit when kicking
Limited variation of front leg kicking
Distance traveled for the Thai kick is longer than some other kicks.
Thai kick is subject to rebound energy, (hit something harder than your shin and the weakest thing will break if enough force is applied)
Often lack boxing skills

Some people when the miss spin around showing their back to their opponent.


that's all I can come up with, but i've seen people who have been able to negate just about all of these.

totally disagree...........
watch some local thai boxing matches, and you will see thai boxers aren't fight like how you mentioned.

[Lone_Knight]

When I watch Muay Thai fight they barely ever over commit on a kick. They usually stick with short knees.

[chalambok]

A critically overlooked facet about our exposure to muay Thai in the West is that it is so very limited. We never get to see the developmental fights, where they make mistakes, display a lack of force and form, and have poor stamina. Often when Thai fighters come here to fight, because only the top 10 boxers at Lumpini or Ratchdamnern are considered to be professionals, they are matched with another stylist who has limited experience. Amateur versus amateur is a misnomer. I recently watched a fight between the Lumpini champ (an announced record of 39-4) and a Chinese Sanshou champ (announced record of 20-1). All of us who have been around awhile laughingly joked about the Lumpini champ's record being for this year only. But that is just the way it is, making it almost impossible to evaluate his abilities, or even weaknesses because of the matchup inequities. In the late 70s-early 80s I always heard how slow the round kick was, but then I kicked a few people and they learned about applied force. Every art has weaknesses, whether designed in (our supposedly open center line, which is so we only have to defend one line) or because of the individual (Bruce Lee and his short leg, i.e.) That is where the art part comes into play, and quite often the heart part, meaning the individual is always more important than the style. Sorry I cannot be more concise, I guess that could be my weakness.

[jakqwe1]

weaknesses in Thai boxing are also strengths. When in stance you leave your center open, in doing so your opponent sees opportunity and will generally strike the open area. This is also good because now you know where the attack will be focused as apposed to some other arts where you defend your entire body in stance, but have no idea where the attack will be focused. Another weakness, we do not train take downs or on ground defence, so obviously don't go to the ground... You said you've only been training for a couple weeks? give Muay Thai some more time and you will love it. Right now Muay Thai is the most effective art out there for the ring. Currently Thailand is holding competitions, and time and time again karate, and TKD practitioners have been knocked out of the competition and Thai fighters are now the only ones who enter. black belts brag about how there years of training, belts, and weak tournaments have made them superior but Thai fighters make their stand and prove themselves over again.
no disrespect to other forms of martial art. There is always some one stronger, and faster than you

[thai_me]

Id say as a self defence, thai obviously lacks groundwork and your training with gloves, so there goes most of your grabs. Next would have to be handwork. If I had my time again, I would have done boxing for 6 months to a year to get some solid boxing skills, then moved to thai. Thats just me though.

A lot of boxing trainers would say that kickboxing/thai boxing will ruin your boxing footwork, so IMO it would be better to do some boxing first, learn how to move, spar etc....then switch to thai and just incorporate your punches and develop your own style. You might be lucky and have a thai trainer that is really good with his hands.

At the end of the day though I think it depends what you want the training for. If its self defence, Id be adding a class of BJJ. That plus 2 or more thai classes and some weights and your going to be hard to stop on the street.

If its for thai fighting in the ring, then your in the right place and I agree with "jakqwe1" - thai has been proven time and time again to be the superior style in a thai boxing ring. Makes sense to me.

[ITFDespoja]

From training on mauy thai I love the conditioning and the powerful strikes of mauy thai. However in my opinion learning alot more effective kicks and can surprise and KO ur oponent, such tkd spinning kicks and much more. Learnin to kick from every Angle can give u a huge advantage. Not many ppl can do it. but the qualified TKD or kukushin practioners can do it VERY well!!.
Im a fan of Mauy thai. Ive trained with thai fighters its just i hate there attidute thinkin that they are the best, and thinkin spining kicks are useless, they are only think like that cous they cant do it!! If u have mastered more techiques and is conditioned as thai boxer. u can beat a simple thai boxer that only knows 2 kicks such as round kick, and front push kick. I seen many TKD backround kukushin blackbelts that have done thai trainin and fought in the ring DESTROY thai boxers.
They just get Freaked out with the arsenal of strikes they know. But once again they have trained lil thai boxing b4 they got into to ring. Im a firm believer in gettin a blackbelt in TKD or Kukushin. then doin thai boxing. CAN HELP U ALOT.

Apologies for my spelling.

[MT&BJJ@noob]

From training on mauy thai I love the conditioning and the powerful strikes of mauy thai. However in my opinion learning alot more effective kicks and can surprise and KO ur oponent, such tkd spinning kicks and much more. Learnin to kick from every Angle can give u a huge advantage. Not many ppl can do it. but the qualified TKD or kukushin practioners can do it VERY well!!.
Im a fan of Mauy thai. Ive trained with thai fighters its just i hate there attidute thinkin that they are the best, and thinkin spining kicks are useless, they are only think like that cous they cant do it!! If u have mastered more techiques and is conditioned as thai boxer. u can beat a simple thai boxer that only knows 2 kicks such as round kick, and front push kick. I seen many TKD backround kukushin blackbelts that have done thai trainin and fought in the ring DESTROY thai boxers.
They just get Freaked out with the arsenal of strikes they know. But once again they have trained lil thai boxing b4 they got into to ring. Im a firm believer in gettin a blackbelt in TKD or Kukushin. then doin thai boxing. CAN HELP U ALOT.

Apologies for my spelling.

oh, very funny

[WildWest.]

Looking from a stand-up style perspective this is what I've found so far: MT practitioners are good at defending from strikes to the side of the body but, IMHO, poor at defending the centreline. As someone who has crosstrained in TKD and HKD, when I spar the more traditionalist MT fighters and Boxers, I have found having a handful of unorthodox techniques/style is an advantage. Sometimes I think the purists become a little predictable as MT really only uses a handful of techniques. However this is a big positive when it comes to self defense as your strikes will be natural, fast and powerful.....very important IMO.

From a self defence perspective MT doesn't teach a wide variation of takedowns, no locking/restraining techniques (chokes, arm bars, escapes etc), it doesn't look at the street/bar/home/etc as a fighting environment, no breakfalls, no throws, no ground grappling (obviously), looks at striking from a simplified perspective eg no eye gouges, palm strikes, joint strikes etc. But look, most of these things are debatable because what MT does teach in conditioning, elbows, knees, stand up grappling, powerful kicks and punches are often enough to help you survive a typical fight.

I could probably go on in more detail but why bother as it's all relative and debatable.

[Garland]

From training on mauy thai I love the conditioning and the powerful strikes of mauy thai. However in my opinion learning alot more effective kicks and can surprise and KO ur oponent, such tkd spinning kicks and much more. Learnin to kick from every Angle can give u a huge advantage. Not many ppl can do it. but the qualified TKD or kukushin practioners can do it VERY well!!.
Im a fan of Mauy thai. Ive trained with thai fighters its just i hate there attidute thinkin that they are the best, and thinkin spining kicks are useless, they are only think like that cous they cant do it!! If u have mastered more techiques and is conditioned as thai boxer. u can beat a simple thai boxer that only knows 2 kicks such as round kick, and front push kick. I seen many TKD backround kukushin blackbelts that have done thai trainin and fought in the ring DESTROY thai boxers.
They just get Freaked out with the arsenal of strikes they know. But once again they have trained lil thai boxing b4 they got into to ring. Im a firm believer in gettin a blackbelt in TKD or Kukushin. then doin thai boxing. CAN HELP U ALOT.

Apologies for my spelling.

This guy is freakin' hillarious! And a mighty chop-sokey to you to partner.

[ITFDespoja]

Garland
how am i hillaroius look at the fighters like Andy Hug, and Serkan Yilmaz. all are great kickers. much more.

[Garland]

Garland
how am i hillaroius look at the fighters like Andy Hug, and Serkan Yilmaz. all are great kickers. much more.

Much more than whom? I'm listening?
Andy Hug...was not TKD, he was kyokushin...and he cross-trained muay thai. The Thai's also have ax kicks, spin kicks, and all sorts of crazy shit, including "flying" techniques. They just aren't common in competition because they are hard to land, and generally do less damage.

(i.e. a spinning heel kick to the head opens your back up, leaves you on just a support leg for too long, and leaves at least one arm dropped too damn low...and won't do the same amount of ouchness as a thai kick Saekson Janjira style to the neck.)

[ITFDespoja]

Thats exactly what i said Garland. Trainin in mauy thai having a backround in Tkd or kyokushin is very effective. And I know Andy Hug did kyokushin, no shit sherlock. did u ever Serkan yilmaz Tkd champ cross trained with thai K1 Kickboxing. Or Zelg Galesic(mma cage rage with a TKD backround. cross trained with Muay thai and grapplin.

All these people have polished kicks from all angles.

Ill say it again One of the weaknesses is the arsenal kicks thai boxers has. U said a thai has spining kicks and Axe kicks, ive never seen a club teach that for the ring? because they cant do it or either disagree with it, but i have heard the tradition mauy thai teach those techiques.
They dont teach those kicks because like u said before, u dont believe they would be effective. Some people have all those kicks polished because they have a backround in TKD or Kyokushin
And yes Spinning heels kicks do work especially when a pro knows what he is doin.
Ive seen it work many times.
Im not sayin that Muay thai is rubbish i train in mauy thai TOO!, Muay thai just like BJJ was a big evolution to the martial arts world, because or what they were capable of.. Beatin weekling tkdist and karate fighters. But Im firm believer in bein open minded to other arts and usin any techniques that works.

[Garland]

Thats exactly what i said Garland. Trainin in mauy thai having a backround in Tkd or kyokushin is very effective. And I know Andy Hug did kyokushin, no shit sherlock. did u ever Serkan yilmaz Tkd champ cross trained with thai K1 Kickboxing. Or Zelg Galesic(mma cage rage with a TKD backround. cross trained with Muay thai and grapplin.

All these people have polished kicks from all angles.

Ill say it again One of the weaknesses is the arsenal kicks thai boxers has. U said a thai has spining kicks and Axe kicks, ive never seen a club teach that for the ring? because they cant do it or either disagree with it, but i have heard the tradition mauy thai teach those techiques.
They dont teach those kicks because like u said before, u dont believe they would be effective. Some people have all those kicks polished because they have a backround in TKD or Kyokushin
And yes Spinning heels kicks do work especially when a pro knows what he is doin.
Ive seen it work many times.
Im not sayin that Muay thai is rubbish i train in mauy thai TOO!, Muay thai just like BJJ was a big evolution to the martial arts world, because or what they were capable of.. Beatin weekling tkdist and karate fighters. But Im firm believer in bein open minded to other arts and usin any techniques that works.

Cool beans...your right I'm wrong.
Wow...you must be like a blackbelt or something, huh?
I'm so in awe right now at your depth and command of such knowledge.
Can you be my sensei?

[jakqwe1]

oh, very funny

I don't think you have seen muay thai to its fullest. there is a lot more to it than you have described. I do admit a mastered TKD or Karate practitioner can be a worthy opponent. I don't believe in one art being better than another. It all depends on how you apply yourself and how much you are willing to take. In muay thai you train to take a hit that is what makes thai fighters so much more aggressive. like I said before no matter how hard you train, or how fast you are... there will always be some one better.